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skafather84
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12 Mar 2007, 8:11 pm

how have we gotten to this point where anyone who displays views that are maleable depending on evidence presented is against their party. how come democrats seem to uniformly be for gun control...despite the evidence that gun control laws do more to hurt the private citizen than help them.


basically: when did it become that personal opinions became beliefs became faith.....WHY ARE PEOPLE AGAINST CHANGING THEIR IDEAS IF FACTS ARE PRESENTED THAT OPPOSE THEIR VIEWS.


just saying....people's political beliefs are evolving more into the realm of faith....and that's moronic and dangerous.


/opposed to a democrat mother state where you trust the government to tell you what's best.
//republicans are just as guilty of this with the patriot act and building one of the largest federal governments in the short history of our country
///i want smaller government but i want people to quit worshipping their own political beliefs as god first



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12 Mar 2007, 8:18 pm

I have some theories on Chickens? -Have you read them?



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12 Mar 2007, 9:10 pm

Erlyrisa wrote:
I have some theories on Chickens? -Have you read them?



the only source i listen to with regards to chickens is buckethead.



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12 Mar 2007, 10:46 pm

Agreed, I try not to get connected to my political stance incase I'm wrong.

"Keep your words short and sweet, you might just have to eat them."


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12 Mar 2007, 11:30 pm

Our beliefs are part of who we are. It is inseparable from our emotions. Have you ever considered the idea that given the information a computer would just stop and do nothing, it would cease to function? Bias is the price of being a functioning life form. I still like articlethis article.



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13 Mar 2007, 1:03 am

Flagg wrote:
Agreed, I try not to get connected to my political stance incase I'm wrong.

"Keep your words short and sweet, you might just have to eat them."



heh, i actually like being wrong because it means i learn something new. which is also why i like to challenge the status quo and the deities of our time....like recycling and global warming. recycling seems to be almost a universally accepted lie on some levels and people don't dare question it....and i think that's bull.



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17 Mar 2007, 8:42 am

This is kind of like what Washington was warning us not to do...

The parties are backed by different philosophical ideals, which are somewhat religious in nature.



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17 Mar 2007, 10:28 am

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"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything." -G.K. Chesterton


I believe this quote, while certainly not proving religion to be correct or God to exist, is essentially correct.

I also like this Chesterton quote:

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"'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'"



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17 Mar 2007, 10:43 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Our beliefs are part of who we are. It is inseparable from our emotions. Have you ever considered the idea that given the information a computer would just stop and do nothing, it would cease to function? Bias is the price of being a functioning life form. I still like articlethis article.


Our beliefs are also subject to be wrong. Find me a human that loves being wrong. This is a learning attribute, the toughest one, called "adaptation."

An example would be my father hating computers - he dislikes them so much, he doesnt trust them, avoids them, etc. The result is he cannot use them very well. He hasn't "adapted" to technology and he will be left behind.

Those who do not adapt their beliefs become left behind. Its best to walk around with an 'open mind' in this respect



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17 Mar 2007, 2:28 pm

jimservo wrote:
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything." -G.K. Chesterton


How offensive!

I take pride in the fact I "believe" in only two things

1. The world outside my head exists

2. My Senses are relatively accurate

I cast everything else under a wary eye.



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17 Mar 2007, 3:46 pm

Flagg wrote:
jimservo wrote:
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything." -G.K. Chesterton


How offensive!

I take pride in the fact I "believe" in only two things

1. The world outside my head exists

2. My Senses are relatively accurate

I cast everything else under a wary eye.



if you knew what was best for you, you'd question those first two you listed as well.


with belief in god...again, it's just evolution screwing us over. the faith aspect of our brain grew too much and now we suffer from too much of it...people taking faith over facts. so, again....politics turning into religion...faith that their side is correct...despite what evidence may lay in front that says otherwise.



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17 Mar 2007, 5:35 pm

At a anti-imperialist rally in 1899 by Carl Schurz he said "Our country when right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right." quoting Decatur And yes illlogical views can and are made by humans on govrenment .


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17 Mar 2007, 6:25 pm

How is the religion of individualism any better than following mainstream politics?



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17 Mar 2007, 7:56 pm

skafather84 wrote:
basically: when did it become that personal opinions became beliefs became faith
when elitist rich run the country, thats when. i dont think it use to be like that. politics use to stand for something, now everyone knows its bs


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18 Mar 2007, 2:02 am

Corvus wrote:
Those who do not adapt their beliefs become left behind. Its best to walk around with an 'open mind' in this respect

Except that political beliefs are prone to enough subjectivity and misinformation and other things that they cannot be easily made false. I do agree that individuals should try to learn but merely walking with an open mind is not enough to cause them to be willing to adapt as they will either consciously or unconsciously take on a belief, take on an ideal, and take on an ideology.

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when elitist rich run the country, thats when. i dont think it use to be like that. politics use to stand for something, now everyone knows its bs

Unless you are going to also claim that the elitist rich have run the country from the start then I must find myself in disagreement. Politics has always been about lies, been about power struggles, and been about personal beliefs. The bs in politics has existed in the US ever since it was born, with radical violations of the constitution, wars started for resources, political campaigns driven on complete nonsensical lies and more. I would imagine that other countries will find themselves in the same place.



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18 Mar 2007, 2:09 am

richardbenson wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
basically: when did it become that personal opinions became beliefs became faith
when elitist rich run the country, thats when. i dont think it use to be like that. politics use to stand for something, now everyone knows its bs


The rich really don't run the country to that sort of degree. That would require them to work together, luckily they prove time and time again they're more concerned with relieving their fellow rich of money.