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02 Feb 2015, 6:21 pm

I recently read article about youngest solider of World War 1

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ed-13.html

I think that the British board conscript, such as banks worked in my country when granting housing loans ;-)



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02 Feb 2015, 6:23 pm

It's always nice to read an inspirational story, instead of negative crap all the time.



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02 Feb 2015, 6:29 pm

Must have been a big kid.


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02 Feb 2015, 6:45 pm

You'd be surprised how many six foot 13-year-old boys (and girls) there are: then and now.



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03 Feb 2015, 6:04 am

Inspirational is probably the wrong word. You don't want to inspire kids to fight as young as 12. In fact that is the sort of thing we are usually condemning.

I can't think he really understood what he was doing. These recruitment drive was very effective.

Maybe you could say he was a role model later in life., perhaps.

WWI was a horrible conflict.



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03 Feb 2015, 2:35 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Inspirational is probably the wrong word. You don't want to inspire kids to fight as young as 12. In fact that is the sort of thing we are usually condemning.

I can't think he really understood what he was doing. These recruitment drive was very effective.

Maybe you could say he was a role model later in life., perhaps.

WWI was a horrible conflict.


From what I read the man he fought as a 12 year old kid in the Battle of the Somme, which was the bloodiest battle of the First World War.
He fought there six weeks before the British government realized it was misled by this guy, his mom is discovered and immediately informed the British Army, but it took them six weeks before they located the battalion in which serve this boy.

It can be said that such a I WW and more realistic version of "Saving Private Ryan" :D



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03 Feb 2015, 5:08 pm

I don't say it wasn't courageous, and it is very much of its time.

I'm just saying 12year old fighting in war isn't worth inspiring, especially in this day an age. I hope that distinction is understood.



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03 Feb 2015, 5:16 pm

pawelk1986 wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Inspirational is probably the wrong word. You don't want to inspire kids to fight as young as 12. In fact that is the sort of thing we are usually condemning.

I can't think he really understood what he was doing. These recruitment drive was very effective.

Maybe you could say he was a role model later in life., perhaps.

WWI was a horrible conflict.


From what I read the man he fought as a 12 year old kid in the Battle of the Somme, which was the bloodiest battle of the First World War.
He fought there six weeks before the British government realized it was misled by this guy, his mom is discovered and immediately informed the British Army, but it took them six weeks before they located the battalion in which serve this boy.

It can be said that such a I WW and more realistic version of "Saving Private Ryan" :D


Was just thinking that as I read this ^: "a real life 'Saving Private Ryan'!"

It would make an interesting movie.

My grandad served in the US army (was normal draft age)in that war. It was brutal. He survived being gassed. Since he was from a German American farm family in Kansas who spoke German in the home he also got work as an interpreter, and helped interrogate prisoners. My other granddad was training to go to war in the US army, but the war ended before he was sent over (a good thing).



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03 Feb 2015, 6:31 pm

Child soldiers fighting pointless and avoidable wars isn't inspiring; it's a horroriffic sacrifice upon the altar of the State.



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03 Feb 2015, 7:57 pm

drh1138 wrote:
Child soldiers fighting pointless and avoidable wars isn't inspiring; it's a horroriffic sacrifice upon the altar of the State.


Indeed.

Adults dying is bad enough, but today we have the problem of children in the Third World being routinely forced to become soldiers.And we have ISIS recruiting folks on other continents via social media. So the tale of a 13 year old sneaking into an Army seems anything but "inspiring" today.



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04 Feb 2015, 5:02 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
drh1138 wrote:
Child soldiers fighting pointless and avoidable wars isn't inspiring; it's a horroriffic sacrifice upon the altar of the State.


Indeed.

Adults dying is bad enough, but today we have the problem of children in the Third World being routinely forced to become soldiers.And we have ISIS recruiting folks on other continents via social media. So the tale of a 13 year old sneaking into an Army seems anything but "inspiring" today.


wonder how the British committee recruitment drive could be so stupid that overlooked the kid who claims to be an adult, yes there are children who are tall for his age. But you can also look is to guess the age of the face.

I once read an article, perhaps in one of our Polish sports reviews, a 12 year-old boy who had a greater than 2 meters, reportedly once he rode a bus ticket inspector wanted to call the police, the boy gave him his ticket and school discount card (from the basic school) which entitles you to a discount ticket. Controller took the boy to be a fraud, he said he would be more convincing if he passes school school discount cards (high school) or university ID card, apparently the boy take long before he ticket inspector convinced that, indeed, is 12 years old :D, the dream of the boy was playing in the Polish national basketball squad, it seems that boy is now a man and I think playing in some of the university basketball team.

What I mean is that if the British boy, was high it could deceive no problems recruiting committees, besides the military does not belong to the smart people, neither then nor now:-) By the way, I'm surprised to that kid you had to be a good freak yourself voluntarily want be sent to the front of World War I.



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04 Feb 2015, 6:30 pm

pawelk1986 wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
drh1138 wrote:
Child soldiers fighting pointless and avoidable wars isn't inspiring; it's a horroriffic sacrifice upon the altar of the State.


Indeed.

Adults dying is bad enough, but today we have the problem of children in the Third World being routinely forced to become soldiers.And we have ISIS recruiting folks on other continents via social media. So the tale of a 13 year old sneaking into an Army seems anything but "inspiring" today.


wonder how the British committee recruitment drive could be so stupid that overlooked the kid who claims to be an adult, yes there are children who are tall for his age. But you can also look is to guess the age of the face.

I once read an article, perhaps in one of our Polish sports reviews, a 12 year-old boy who had a greater than 2 meters, reportedly once he rode a bus ticket inspector wanted to call the police, the boy gave him his ticket and school discount card (from the basic school) which entitles you to a discount ticket. Controller took the boy to be a fraud, he said he would be more convincing if he passes school school discount cards (high school) or university ID card, apparently the boy take long before he ticket inspector convinced that, indeed, is 12 years old :D, the dream of the boy was playing in the Polish national basketball squad, it seems that boy is now a man and I think playing in some of the university basketball team.

What I mean is that if the British boy, was high it could deceive no problems recruiting committees, besides the military does not belong to the smart people, neither then nor now:-) By the way, I'm surprised to that kid you had to be a good freak yourself voluntarily want be sent to the front of World War I.


Well...even back in the 1960's it seemed like there were a zillion biographies in the media every day that started with "he lied that he was 18 to get into the army when he was 16/17/15 and served in the [war of choice]. Though few as young as 13 snuck in - it was apparently a common thing. And you hear it more often now that (like this guy) so many veterans of past wars are dying off (the last surviving ones are the youngest- though few were quite as a young as 13 when signed up).

Back when this guy was 13 war wasnt portrayed in the media with the "All Quiet on the Western Front" type gruesome realism in popular culture that it is now. A young boy wanting adventure, or wanting to get away from abusive parents, or wanting to get away from working in the coal mines for 60 hours a week might have thought he was escaping to a glorius advanture in which he would ride into battle on horseback in the cavalry swordfighting with other glamorious horsemen - and have lots opportunities for personal heroism (kinda like a rugby game). He had no concept of the mud, and the trench warfare, that was in store.



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06 Feb 2015, 3:17 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
drh1138 wrote:
Child soldiers fighting pointless and avoidable wars isn't inspiring; it's a horroriffic sacrifice upon the altar of the State.


Indeed.

Adults dying is bad enough, but today we have the problem of children in the Third World being routinely forced to become soldiers.And we have ISIS recruiting folks on other continents via social media. So the tale of a 13 year old sneaking into an Army seems anything but "inspiring" today.


wonder how the British committee recruitment drive could be so stupid that overlooked the kid who claims to be an adult, yes there are children who are tall for his age. But you can also look is to guess the age of the face.

I once read an article, perhaps in one of our Polish sports reviews, a 12 year-old boy who had a greater than 2 meters, reportedly once he rode a bus ticket inspector wanted to call the police, the boy gave him his ticket and school discount card (from the basic school) which entitles you to a discount ticket. Controller took the boy to be a fraud, he said he would be more convincing if he passes school school discount cards (high school) or university ID card, apparently the boy take long before he ticket inspector convinced that, indeed, is 12 years old :D, the dream of the boy was playing in the Polish national basketball squad, it seems that boy is now a man and I think playing in some of the university basketball team.

What I mean is that if the British boy, was high it could deceive no problems recruiting committees, besides the military does not belong to the smart people, neither then nor now:-) By the way, I'm surprised to that kid you had to be a good freak yourself voluntarily want be sent to the front of World War I.


Well...even back in the 1960's it seemed like there were a zillion biographies in the media every day that started with "he lied that he was 18 to get into the army when he was 16/17/15 and served in the [war of choice]. Though few as young as 13 snuck in - it was apparently a common thing. And you hear it more often now that (like this guy) so many veterans of past wars are dying off (the last surviving ones are the youngest- though few were quite as a young as 13 when signed up).

Back when this guy was 13 war wasnt portrayed in the media with the "All Quiet on the Western Front" type gruesome realism in popular culture that it is now. A young boy wanting adventure, or wanting to get away from abusive parents, or wanting to get away from working in the coal mines for 60 hours a week might have thought he was escaping to a glorius advanture in which he would ride into battle on horseback in the cavalry swordfighting with other glamorious horsemen - and have lots opportunities for personal heroism (kinda like a rugby game). He had no concept of the mud, and the trench warfare, that was in store.


I wonder what happens when we listen to it once the stories of veterans of World War II, as they had overstated their age to join the army, we think that there were heroes, but today if a teenager would do something like that, it's just that everyone hailed him irresponsible , stupid kid :D



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06 Feb 2015, 7:32 pm

because attitudes were different then, like naturalplastic has said. it's probably a lot harder to get in under-aged nowadays to boot.

kids may still manage to slip their way in, of course. but while we're citing the daily mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092025/Adam-Wilkie-17-lies-age-fight-Taliban-hes-young-play-Call-Duty.html


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07 Feb 2015, 2:50 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:
because attitudes were different then, like naturalplastic has said. it's probably a lot harder to get in under-aged nowadays to boot.

kids may still manage to slip their way in, of course. but while we're citing the daily mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092025/Adam-Wilkie-17-lies-age-fight-Taliban-hes-young-play-Call-Duty.html


I reed comments bellow the article, some morons suggest that's this boy shouldn't be commended but put on trail discharged from military and sent to prison, for what he did. I think it is nonsense, if someone should be punished in the first place should be the officials who probably failed to meet their obligations and did not check all the documents properly.