ISIS bulldozes ruins of ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud, Ira

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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/05/world ... ty-nimrud/

I know it's not a new or innovative behavior but the regional boldness of this makes me seriously wonder just how many more years the Egyptian Pyramids will be standing.

Thoughts?

If you needed any more confirmation they are morons.

If I were an atheist again I'd be inclined to chalk this up to bad weather rather than a man-made event. Has far more in common with cyclones, typhoons, and heat exchange in the earth's crust than it does with human thought.

What are you on about?

I'm an atheist, and don't want archaeology destroyed.

I'm saying that if they get any dumber the life support functions in their cerebellums would probably shut down. What's going on right now reminds me more of waves pounding the shore than anything human intelligence could devise.

An Egyptian Cleric has issued a Fatwah on those who destruct artefacts. Be interesting to see what effect it has.

If you meant that you aught to tighten your allegory, because it sounded like were saying Atheists would more likely to chalk it up to act of nature. Where as nature has preserved the site.

These Fatwah are a dime a dozen. It won't have any effect, becuase it is preaching to the choir.

What I meant was that it would be more comforting to believe again that the universe has a zero IQ and that these kinds of events were simply the weather doing what it does (ie. human beings so profoundly stupid that there's no difference between their behavior and element damage) than to actually believe something more intelligent and powerful than us is aware of and mutely watching this.

If I get a bit incendiary over this, even uncharacteristically, what my life experiences have been I really feel like the worst form of rape an individual or a group, even a nationality, can go through is having history manipulated or erased. Intellectual tyranny is like being subjected to a life on rohypnol. When you have people that well beaten down that they're willing to behave like this as it relates to human knowledge the next best thing would be to feed them pufferfish toxin and make zombies.

So yes, this ignorance as positive and destructive as it gets - I really hope enough people have their stomachs turned by this as much as I have. If not it might take watching them or Islamic Brotherhood shell the Egyptian pyramids to dust before the general consensus arrives at it's logical conclusion - when people destroy global heritage sights they're taking a crucial step towards lobotamizing our future as a race.

^^^ The really sad part is that these people are destroying their own history. I saw an archeologist talk on tv a while ago on this issue, before these last two events, and he said these ISIS people do not view for example the Romans and the Babylonians as their own history, since they only identify with Islamic history. Even though their ancestors were probably Romans, Canaanites, Assyrians and a whole bunch of other people who lived there in the past.

I'm starting to wonder, if they're this much against symbolic objects are they going to blow up, burn, or bulldoze the Kabba at Mecca? Or is that just the last thing on their list once they have all dissent subjugated?

IQ is a way of modelling intelligence under the concept of general intelligence, which is not without controversy itself.

I really think your point is a bit "crow-bared" in to this discussion.

The point about acts of nature is even if there is a human influence on them, nature itself doesn't single out sites of historic importance, it is just unfortunate that they are in the wrong place. Either by being is vulnerable location or by chance.

This is really more to do with acts of humans, following a moronic doctrine, and acting without common sense.

Not really.

If we don't see eye to eye though it's not the end of the world.

Its not "symbolic objects" per se. Its relics of Pagan, and pre Islamic civilizations that they are out to destroy. Especially religious monuments. So the Kabba, being Islamic, would be fine with them presumably (dont split hairs- I know the Kabba predated Islam, but it figured in the birth of Islam, and was repurposed as a holy muslim site).

Its the pre Islamic stuff they are out to destroy. Imagine the Greek Orthodox Church in Athens ordering the destruction of the Parthenon because it was built by "pagans" (even if they were Greeks), or the Church of England nuking Stonehenge, or American Evangelicals blowing up the native American astronomically aligned ruins at Chaco Canyon). That would be the idea.

Even though its their own ancestors-if it was before Islam it "happened in darkness, so it shall remain in darkness".

I don't really see what there is to see eye to eye with. You think that if you were an atheist, then you would more likely to think that such actions are as senseless as nature, but as you are not, you attribute meaning to acts of nature even is apparently senseless.

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