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20 Mar 2016, 10:58 am
I wonder if hillary will ask sanders to run as her vp canidate. I think sanders is the canidate with the most support among young voters.if not im sure elizabeth warren will run in a few years. She has similar political beliefs as bernie.i thought bernie talked about withdrawing from nafta. Obama originally proposed withdrawing from nafta but his economic advisor austin goldsbee reassured canada obama wouldnt withdraw from nafta.
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20 Mar 2016, 3:55 pm
Bernie won't lose the nomination. It was never his to lose.
He won't win it, that's been obvious for a long time.
The good news is that Clinton has been forced to move to the left to appeal to Sanders supporters. Without him around, she may have moved the other way to appeal to Republicans.
Politically, Clinton is largely the same as Obama, so her winning is nothing to "worry" about. Yes, it would be better to have someone who supports prison reform, for example, but you can't always get the ideal candidate elected.
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20 Mar 2016, 4:55 pm
A political revolution has started here in America. "We the People" aren't going to stand for talk of change without there actually being real change any longer. Sanders most likely won't win the nomination but his cause will live on. Sanders isn't what the establishment wants. They want someone that will keep playing there game, basically a puppet president that they own.
It's sad that our country has fallen so far down from the days when even a republican candidate was actually for the people rather than being only for corporations. Money has corrupted our system completely.
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20 Mar 2016, 5:22 pm
Hillary was promised the nomination for getting out of the way in 2008, the fix has always been in and Bernie was never meant to be serious opposition. He's not serious about winning or else he would go after Hillary and her husband's ethics or lack there of, people do care about those emails because they're tired of seeing the elite and politically connected escape justice. Given the Obama administration's use of the Espionage Act it would be the height of hypocrisy to not charge Hillary with a crime, she did much more than David Petraeus .
Hillary would be losing to any credible Democrat running, Joe Biden would be winning and so would Elizabeth Warren if she ran. A lot of Democrats are more popular than Hillary but the Clinton Machine is still churning, she had like a 600 superdelegate lead before a vote was cast. The party bosses control the Democratic party, not the voters.
I'm not sure she got out of the way for Obama in 2008. Obama took it from her on a wave of optimism and change.
If I was an American I'd be voting for Bernie. He is the only one that will deal with the big issues properly, such as climate change and tackling corrupt political financing. Also he will hold big business and Wall Street to account. People deserve to get paid a living wage, I find it bizarre that this is taken as a given. Not to mention universal health care, it's a disgrace that America doesn't provide it for all it's citizens as a human right.
I have always wished society would be like what they have in Star Trek, they have some kind of communist society but it works because they've overcome greed and self-interest. Whereas atm I don't think humans have developed enough morally in order not to be corrupted. That's why it doesn't work atm. It will someday though. I think asperger's could be the next step in evolution. A world government run by persons with Asperger's would change the world for the better imo.
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20 Mar 2016, 8:31 pm
bernie may yet win. he is ahead of where obama was at the same stage of the election season. superdelegates tend to vote with the people. during the 2008's , Hilary also supposedly had the superdelegates, but they changed when it was clear that the electorate wanted obama.
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21 Mar 2016, 1:48 pm
Methodchess wrote:
I'm not sure she got out of the way for Obama in 2008. Obama took it from her on a wave of optimism and change.
If I was an American I'd be voting for Bernie. He is the only one that will deal with the big issues properly, such as climate change and tackling corrupt political financing. Also he will hold big business and Wall Street to account. People deserve to get paid a living wage, I find it bizarre that this is taken as a given. Not to mention universal health care, it's a disgrace that America doesn't provide it for all it's citizens as a human right.
I have always wished society would be like what they have in Star Trek, they have some kind of communist society but it works because they've overcome greed and self-interest. Whereas atm I don't think humans have developed enough morally in order not to be corrupted. That's why it doesn't work atm. It will someday though. I think asperger's could be the next step in evolution. A world government run by persons with Asperger's would change the world for the better imo.
"I'm not sure she got out of the way for Obama in 2008. Obama took it from her on a wave of optimism and change."
....and she just dropped out because she didn't have the "guts" to go all the way? She had plenty of delegates.
....and then Obama, coincidentally, hired her for Sec. of State because...........??????? (what a fine mess he got us into with that).
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21 Mar 2016, 2:47 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
bernie may yet win. he is ahead of where obama was at the same stage of the election season. .
No he isn't. Obama was winning at this stage in 2008. Sanders is 300 delegates behind (even discounting pledged delegates).
The people want Clinton.
Lot of the people want Bernie.
Sure. And a lot of people wanted McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012. That didn't mean that Obama didn't represent the will of most people. Clinton's margin of victory over Sanders will be greater than either of Obama's victories in the general. For that matter, her victory in the general probably will be too, unless Kasich wins the Republican nomination in which case it might be tighter.
I'm not anti-Bernie even though I dislike some of his policies, but the whole "Clinton is supported by the party but individuals prefer Bernie" narrative is nonsense.
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21 Mar 2016, 3:29 pm
Deltaville wrote:
Although I am not American, I really think that he represents the best hope for both Canada and the United States.
"Might lose"?????
Where did you get the idea that he a snowball's chance in Hell of winning in the first place?
Its astounding that a relative unknown, and an unknown who calls himself a "Socialist", could do as well as he has done. This is not your country of Canada. Here "Socialist" is a dirty word (not saying that it should be, it just is).
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21 Mar 2016, 4:16 pm
The_Walrus wrote:
Sure. And a lot of people wanted McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012. That didn't mean that Obama didn't represent the will of most people. Clinton's margin of victory over Sanders will be greater than either of Obama's victories in the general. For that matter, her victory in the general probably will be too, unless Kasich wins the Republican nomination in which case it might be tighter.
I'm not anti-Bernie even though I dislike some of his policies, but the whole "Clinton is supported by the party but individuals prefer Bernie" narrative is nonsense.
The establishment wants Hillary because she'll keep their agenda for America going. The people know Hillary more so she gets more votes based on name recognition alone. If our corporate run media wasn't as corrupt as our government and gave Bernie the amount of free air time they are giving the rest of the candidates his word would be getting out better.
Major media bias (no need to watch the whole video, the first minute or so tells the tale):
It's pretty telling when you can give Trump's empty podium 30 minutes of free airtime over an hour long speech by Bernie.
Obama may not have even become our president if the financial crisis had happened 6 months later in '08 than it did. McCain and Palin were making it a close race at the time nearing the election but after the collapse happened the polls shifted hard towards Obama and he won in a landslide.
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21 Mar 2016, 4:21 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Although I am not American, I really think that he represents the best hope for both Canada and the United States.
"Might lose"?????
Where did you get the idea that he a snowball's chance in Hell of winning in the first place?
Its astounding that a relative unknown, and an unknown who calls himself a "Socialist", could do as well as he has done. This is not your country of Canada. Here "Socialist" is a dirty word (not saying that it should be, it just is).
^^^^ This
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21 Mar 2016, 4:32 pm
But having said what I said above I have to admit that it is curious how the GOP also had an "establishment" candidate with similiar advantages to Hillary. And its interesting how that candidate got slaughtered early in the race!
Jeb Bush's bood kinship to two former presidents, and recent service as a state governor add up to roughly the same amount of strength as Hillary's kinship by marriage to a former president, and recent service as secy of State. But that didnt help him much.