Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?

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05 Apr 2015, 11:22 am

Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?

Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.

Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?

Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?

Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?

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05 Apr 2015, 11:41 am

If that were the case then Moses would have been "satanic" for leading his people out of slavery.

So obviously the answer is "no". Demanding equality, and/or resisting tyranny per se does not go against the Bible.

The difference between Moses and Satan is that the former rebelled against a human tyrant, and the later against God himself.



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05 Apr 2015, 11:48 am

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If that were the case then Moses would have been "satanic" for leading his people out of slavery.

So obviously the answer is "no". Demanding equality, and/or resisting tyranny per se does not go against the Bible.

The difference between Moses and Satan is that the former rebelled against a human tyrant, and the later against God himself.


A good analogy.

Careful my friend. Someone is bound to come up with that Satanist label for us.

I find it strange that believers want to live in democracies here on earth while also wanting to live in God's tyranny when they die.

I can't understand how they can live with that mind set. Can you?

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05 Apr 2015, 11:50 am

Who told you Satan demanded equal rights in heaven ?



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05 Apr 2015, 3:12 pm

I always figured Satan had rebelled in order to depose God, and become ruler of heaven himself.


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05 Apr 2015, 3:18 pm

If Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater swallowed The Gingerbread Man, would his burps smell like Autumn?


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05 Apr 2015, 3:37 pm

will@rd wrote:
If Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater swallowed The Gingerbread Man, would his burps smell like Autumn?


Huh?



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05 Apr 2015, 3:46 pm

will@rd wrote:
If Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater swallowed The Gingerbread Man, would his burps smell like Autumn?


Maybe, but what would his farts smell like?


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05 Apr 2015, 4:42 pm

The whole story that Satan rebelled, and was cast down apparently is not even in the Bible.

Various passages in the Bible imply that he is a fallen angel, and that he has an entourage of other "cursed angels".

So some rebellion incident in Heaven is inferred from connecting the dots in various passages. But there is no chapter/verse that actually recounts the story.



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05 Apr 2015, 6:36 pm

Heaven is an allegory
heaven and hell are real time constructs

life beyond the planet earth is crowded
if you want to sit at the table of light beings
you must become
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satan sucks chooks bums anyhoo's



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05 Apr 2015, 6:46 pm

Tradition has it that Satan was the Heavenly Choir Director. As for the rest ...

The two Scripture passages that describe Satan before he fell are Ezekiel 28:12-19 and Isaiah 14:12-15. Satan was the "anointed cherub" (Ezekiel 28:14). He was adorned with every precious jewel imaginable (Ezekiel 28:13). He was "the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty" (Ezekiel 28:12b). Likely he was the highest of all angels. He was persuasive enough to convince one-third of the angels to join him in his rebellion (Revelation 12:4). Even after his fall from heaven, not even Michael the archangel dared to stand up to him without the Lord’s help (Jude 9). Satan fell because of pride. He did not like being "second best." He wanted to be God: "You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain'"(Isaiah 14:13).

Someone hasn't been reading his apocrypha OR his Bible lately.



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05 Apr 2015, 7:03 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?

Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.

Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?

Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?

Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?

Regards
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In God's Kingdom, yes, Satan was wrong. Let him go to his own Kingdom and then he can have equality if that's what he wants.

Believers do not always grant equal rights and generally view people as unequal and they are unequal to God, especially the Calvinists and Primitives who believe in predestination. They might look at others as being very unequal and there's no way to change it.



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05 Apr 2015, 7:27 pm

Satan tried to overthrow God. So he was not seeking "equality".

Next question.



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05 Apr 2015, 10:09 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Satan tried to overthrow God. So he was not seeking "equality".
Maybe he read an early edition of "Animal Farm", and formed the concept that "All angels are equal, but some angels are more equal than others" ...
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05 Apr 2015, 10:28 pm

maybe the WP Luciferians could comment re Saturn?



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05 Apr 2015, 11:26 pm

Maybe he was trying to become the "Good King" of heaven, deposing the bloodthirsty god and installing himself as a benevolent dictator? I mean, God WAS the entity that made every single living thing mortal because two people at some weird fruit, wiped out every single living thing on the planet for being "wicked", and imposed ridiculous rules on mankind, only to send them into hell anyways.


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