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08 May 2015, 10:12 am

If one ignores or defies the restrictions imposed by reality then any fantastic speculation is as "real" as any unreality.



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08 May 2015, 12:03 pm

Oldavid wrote:
If one ignores or defies the restrictions imposed by reality then any fantastic speculation is as "real" as any unreality.


What restrictions? I've just explained in my previous post why life and evolution does not run counter to the second law of thermodynamics (increasing entropy). Oh and by the way, I'm doing a PhD in physics (i.e. I've studied this stuff whereas I'm guessing that you have not).



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08 May 2015, 12:48 pm

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If one ignores or defies the restrictions imposed by reality then any fantastic speculation is as "real" as any unreality.


What restrictions? I've just explained in my previous post why life and evolution does not run counter to the second law of thermodynamics (increasing entropy). Oh and by the way, I'm doing a PhD in physics (i.e. I've studied this stuff whereas I'm guessing that you have not).
When they give you your PhD take it as an acknowledgement that you are considered a reliable purveyor of fashionable nonsense.



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08 May 2015, 1:17 pm

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Oldavid wrote:
If one ignores or defies the restrictions imposed by reality then any fantastic speculation is as "real" as any unreality.


What restrictions? I've just explained in my previous post why life and evolution does not run counter to the second law of thermodynamics (increasing entropy). Oh and by the way, I'm doing a PhD in physics (i.e. I've studied this stuff whereas I'm guessing that you have not).
When they give you your PhD take it as an acknowledgement that you are considered a reliable purveyor of fashionable nonsense.


I see, so it's all a conspiracy by the people who actually thought of ideas like entropy who are spreading misinformation is it? Tell me, what degree do you have?



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08 May 2015, 1:22 pm

Oldavid wrote:
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If one ignores or defies the restrictions imposed by reality then any fantastic speculation is as "real" as any unreality.


What restrictions? I've just explained in my previous post why life and evolution does not run counter to the second law of thermodynamics (increasing entropy). Oh and by the way, I'm doing a PhD in physics (i.e. I've studied this stuff whereas I'm guessing that you have not).
When they give you your PhD take it as an acknowledgement that you are considered a reliable purveyor of fashionable nonsense.


Are you aware that you are making the staggering claim that knowledge of physics is inversely related to the amount of time spent studying it?



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08 May 2015, 4:07 pm

I've had the lifetime of either of you with a compelling fascination for things science. Fortunately, though, I was spared the compulsion to worship at the altar of political convenience.

I will also make the staggering claim that institutionalised ignorance is the mainstay of all the perversity associated with the religious ideology of Materialism.



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09 May 2015, 7:06 am

I see you are refusing to explain exactly what Real Evolution means. This is typical of you david you stomp around here beating your chest, yet you actually never really explain what you regard as real science, and you have now thrown Real Evolution into the mix. Cmon David, have the courage of your convictions and actually spell out what it is that you actually believe. Surely to goodness you are not going to maintain that life started of complex and has been devolving?

You talk about ideology, well yes I have one, which is to look for a natural explanation before I accept the existence of the supernatural, this ideology has taken humanity a very long way. You on the other hand accept only the science that does not interfere with your creationist ideology. You stubbornly stand to this idiocy in the face of overwhelming evidence that you ARE WRONG. For pities sake are you really that foolish to believe a world wide conspiracy involving millions of scientists for nigh on 200 years is even remotely possible, and for what? to deny the truth of creation! You claim that this has been achieved for the sake of money and fame, yet you ignore the reality that all it would take is one scientist to produce a paper outlining what YOU know and the whole bubble bursts. For crying out loud you creationists have poured resource after resource into trying to disprove evolution and you simply cannot. You talk of people being gullible, and fixated on an outcome. David this is YOU.


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09 May 2015, 4:04 pm

I have explained in considerable detail what real evolution is and how it works, including the real practicalities of stock breeding and the "accidental", or "natural" variation that does occur. You simply refuse to hear or see.

There are many excellent real scientists who have done excellent work in this area but are censored out of the mainstream, or popular, publications. I have even given some links to such; knowing that it is useless because your automatic censorship will refuse to consider such.



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09 May 2015, 5:12 pm

^^^

With your references to "Morphology," breeding, entropy, etc., are you actually implying that Lemarckian views are accurate? I wouldn't be accusing people of censorship, etc., given which former world leaders actually supported that idea.



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09 May 2015, 5:27 pm

iBlockhead wrote:
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With your references to "Morphology," breeding, entropy, etc., are you actually implying that Lemarckian views are accurate? I wouldn't be accusing people of censorship, etc., given which former world leaders actually supported that idea.
Not at all. Quite the opposite, in fact.

The idea that a lizard ran around flapping his arms until his scales frayed into feathers and then passed the frayed scales on to his progeny is the stuff of Darwinist fantasy.

Censorship need not be a formally defined policy. Usually it isn't in these circumstances. Just ensuring that the editorial staff is of the required mindset ensures that only ideologically "appropriate" material is published.



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09 May 2015, 5:36 pm

Now would be a good time for those links to resurface...



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10 May 2015, 7:11 am

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Now would be a good time for those links to resurface...
I do not intend to re-present all the links I have provided, but have a flick through this lot. There's something for everyone interested in any area of science.

http://www.trueorigin.org/camplist.php

I do not necessarily endorse all, or any, of the material presented here; but it certainly provides incontrovertible evidence that there are many well credentialed and knowledgeable scientists who do not blindly follow the media popularised and "official", "establishment" version of "science".



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10 May 2015, 7:32 am

I have "faith" in the accuracy of Evolution in general.

I believe in the "natural selection" theorem.

Also in mutations leading to evolution/devolution.

I belive "life" arose spontaneously from a "non-life" source, rather than it being "zapped" into existence by a Supreme Being.



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10 May 2015, 9:01 am

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I have "faith" in the accuracy of Evolution in general.

I believe in the "natural selection" theorem.

Also in mutations leading to evolution/devolution.

I belive "life" arose spontaneously from a "non-life" source, rather than it being "zapped" into existence by a Supreme Being.
Yair. We know your belief system; you've said it before; it's as common as arseoles.



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10 May 2015, 9:41 am

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I do not intend to re-present all the links I have provided, but have a flick through this lot. There's something for everyone interested in any area of science.

http://www.trueorigin.org/camplist.php


Which articles do you think are the most accurate? Looking at your previous comments, any religious-based arguments would be thrown out, so my quick glance eliminates Dembski, Sarfati, anything relating to a flood, etc.



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10 May 2015, 9:46 am

Without the anal orifice, virtually all animal life wouldn't stand a chance.