Why doesn't the right speak up more?

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Why doesn't the conservative right speak up against the progressive left more? Even I have a friend on Facebook who posts inflammatory comments about the GOP here in the US.

I do know too that the rest of the countries particularly Europe, are likely to have more liberal opinions, but that is fine. I'd like to find more common ground with somebody if only they could stop attacking the right and using them as a scapegoat.

The Right speaks out plenty.

The Conservatives in the U.S. are currently focused heavily on at the Federal level:
1) Stopping Obama from getting any done as President by forcing grid lock
2)Shutting down the U.S. government by stopping the funding bills and blocking the debt celling
3) Forcing tax cuts of the rich, because the rich will invest more in the economy, if they pay less taxes.
4)Tax increases for the poor and middle classes in order to balance the budget
5) Ending beneficial middle class and poor tax credits such as the College tax credits, Children tax credit, home ownership tax credit etc...
6) Stopping homosexuals from gaining equal rights under the law
7) Defunding education, science, renewable energy research, infrastructure spending, medical research...
Raising military spending even further (right now it stands at $1.3 Trillion being the biggest item in federal budget by far)
9)Repealing Obamacare
10) Stopping Net Neutrality at all cost by trying to pass a law shielding the ISP and Cable companies from regulation
11)Made Pizza a vegetable
12) Trying to stop Michelle Obama's healthy school food program
13) Increasing corporate subsidizes
14) Trying to increase powers for the NSA, FBI, CIA and Homeland security by wanting a more powerful version of the Patriot Act
15) Trying to pass a bill to tighten the amount of money labor and private individuals can donate to parties (this would end most funding to the center and left)
16) Trying to pass a bill to make it harder to register to vote
17) Trying to pass a bill to make it harder for new people to get on the ballot
18) The 9th committee on Benghazi is well underway and is set to report it's finding in time for the election (the first 8 cleared Hillary Clinton and Obama)
19) Trying to pass a bill to stop insurance from paying for birth control and other women health issues.
20) Trying to repeal Medicare and Social Security
21) other issues as well

At the state and local level

1)Trying to end unions once and for all
2) Trying to restrict overtime pay
3) Trying to restrict workers rights
4) Trying to defund education, science, and many state ran programs
5) Tax cuts for the rich, which have bankrupted Kansas and failed to stimulate the Kansas economy (the GOP held state legislature is holding an emergency summer meetings to undo the governors tax cuts and balance the budget, but the governor is promising to veto all of it on conservative principles)
6) Rewriting voter laws, to make it harder for minorities and college students to vote
7) Raising sale tax and other taxes that hurt the middle class and poor
Something something entitlements
9) Other state and local issues

Here in Michigan, the conservative right is refusing to pass the necessary road funding bill for the up-tenth year in a row because of conservative principles despite pressure from the bipartisan state senate and GOP governor.
So the conservative led state house, forced it to an emergency election in May to add a 1% state sales tax hike to the state constitution.
Though at the last minute they changed the proposal, so that only 60% of the revenue from the 1% hike went to the roads, while the rest went to education and revenue sharing with municipalities.
It bombed hard.

The state house unveiled a take or leave it $400 million dollar multi year road funding bill increase, which isn't enough and doesn't fix the out of date funding solution. Though the state senate and governor are trying to hammer out a better deal.
The conservatives claim the roads in Michigan are fine and the left with their media allies are overplaying broken roads and bridges card.

In early 2014, a local bridge over I-75 started to form gapping holes, that you put your hand through the bridge completely and see all the way down to I-75. People expressed dire concerns, but the bridge didn't get any funding because the conservatives wouldn't allow for the money to be spent because the "bridge was fine". So people sent video into local news rooms, which went live that day.

The conservatives claim the media and left were over exaggerating the condition of the bridge and the bridge was perfectly usable and not in need of repair.
The Federal Government came and fixed the bridge that was literally splitting at the seams since it was over an interstate.

The GOP state house and senate had no trouble spending over a billion on a building a new office for themselves that wasn't needed.

While our roads and bridges are falling apart, the GOP splurged on a new office!

They also refused to restore the funding to higher education which has given us a decade of 7%-14% of tuition hikes here in Michigan.

Oh the conservative right GOP here in Michigan tried twice to recall the GOP governor twice in his first term because he wasn't adhering to their conservative principles.

In order for the governor to get the GOP nomination, the conservatives forced him to sign the Right to Work law (though police and fire unions were exempted because they donate lots of money to the GOP), which the majority of the public was against. The law should be repealed once the Democrats regain the majority of both houses in 2016.

The governor here in Michigan has been essentially a Lame duck governor for most of his 8 years, due to the conservatives members of his own party blocking practically everything. The only way he gets anything done, is with Democrats providing the necessary votes along side moderate GOP to override blockage.

This is just in Michigan, state that is normally well governed.

This why the conservatives are severely disliked if not hated.


There are plenty of conservatives who spout off on social media too, to normally hilarious effect (as does many on the left).

Napoleon said, "when you see your foe making a mistake, do not interrupt him."

Margret Thatcher said, "Socialism works until you run out of other people's money."

The Left is now famous for supporting rich transsexuals, and leading the fight against Man Spreading.

When blocked from demanding greater spending, and States that have blocked them do not have a money pit to wallow in, few have even made it to break even. There are standing obligations, Pensions, Bonds, which The Courts have held demand the States behave, and be able to meet their obligations.

Perhaps the Left missed the Great Crash? Jobs, Incomes, Real Estate are still down, and that is where State Income comes from. As Government demands Bond Issues for things like Prisons, Roads, Schools, the Bond Rating defines weather the State can get cheap interest, or is treated like Greece.

The Great Crash and extended unemployment benefits were not free. The National Government invented money, then leant it to the States, who have to pay it back, from every workers paycheck. They have to do that before they can lower rates, and build a surplus for next time. Wall Street and the Banks got bailed out, the States got stuck with the cost.

Due to the Lefts EPA Rules, Water and Sewer are Mandated Costs. Schools and Roads are not.

The Lefts concerns are with the 1%-2% who are homosexual, transsexual, or something else, The 1% in Prison, and Obama Care was a lets not mention it way that 5% who are HIV Positive got cheap medical coverage, and put the cost not on them or the Government, but on healthy heterosexuals. There is a lot of overlap, Homosexual, IV Drug User, in Prison.

Their public displays of Pride, have shown how few they are, and not knowing about their Pride, they are the kind of people most would avoid. They have managed to make Homosexuality something Vulgar.

The Left has invaded Education, from demanding Homosexual Education in First Grade, to University Degrees in Gender Confusion.

The Left has come out against our Nation having Borders, and a process of Legal immigration. They are against questioning non English speaking people, like Police asking for a Drivers License, as racist.

Illegals fill our prisons, not for being illegal, but for rape, murder, robbery, and after much expense, get deported. These are the people who other people left Mexico because of, brought their families, honest hard working ways, to America, not to break it but to build it. We used to have a Guest Worker Program, not Citizens but welcome.

The quota is low, I think 50,000 a year legal immigrants. We have fifteen million here. We could deal with ten million legal Guest Workers. They would be very happy if we kept the criminals out.

First we secure the borders, no one but legal immigrants gets to be a Citizen, and Guest Workers pay Taxes.

The Left wants to open America to everyone.

The Left is making their case to the People, The People are starting to see what horrible choices they make.

Who are "they", though. There is every possibility that a lot of these trans SJW movements are trying to spark a reactionary backlash. They could be proxies.

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Personally I certainly wish the right was speaking less, contrary to what they think they are thorougly irrational, including in economy in which they think they are the rational ones. (Keynesian economy is the best working economic system ever used in history; SO WHY PREVENT THE USE OF IT!?)

Keynesian is in use. At least the half of Unemployment, Food Stamps, Bailouts, no interest loans.

The half that is not is higher taxes during boom times, to recover the spending, pay down debt, and save a surplus for next time.

Good times and bad, the National Debt rises.

Obligations are put off, Social Security is broke, Congress took the money and left an IOU.

The motto of Congress, "By then I will be retired or dead."

By Act of Congress, Congress is exempt from Insider Trading Laws. Congress owns stock in industries they regulate.

They are playing a game of Grand Theft Government, and have the power to change or evade the Laws.

The only people Government pays attention to are those who will give $2,500 to each Member of Congress.

For that watch your Tax Bill drop by Millions, for a $1,200,000 payment.

At a higher level, a multi player game, donations will get your country Billions of our latest military technology as a gift.

Left demands the Government does something.

Right demands they do not do something.

Right Politics is based on, Who Will Pay?

The Left seeks a Government answer.

The Right thinks the Government is the problem.

Back a few years ago when this forum was full of particularly whiney liberals I used to love to "speak up against the progressive left" at every opportunity. They'd call me a troll and I'd f**k with them even more.
Ah, those were the days.....

Ah! Those were the days!

Back then I had hoards demanding I be banned.

I remember when WP grew, and people showed up claiming to represent all autistics, and demanding that Alex turn over WP to the Community.

The liberal Wave has crested, nothing left but some smelly garbage on the beach.

There is only some SJW foam demanding that tax paying white males quit having anything to do with the world.

That a third of people are Obese is not a health crisis, it is Fat Shaming. No one under 330 pounds is allowed to mention it.

The result of their past actions, has lead to 75% of males 18 to 34 being single, never married. This and the birth rate are at record lows. Slut Rights have won their freedom, no male wants to oppress them.

Homosexual Marriage lets Social Security benefits be given to spouses. Old homosexuals can now offer lifetime benefits to a young partner. They are known for living fifteen to twenty years less than most, with seventeen out of eighteen cases of Colon/Rectal Cancer being homosexual males. More than half of the new HIV cases are homosexual males. Five million have died, fifteen million are infected. Hep C and drug resistant TB are common.

As a Lifestyle, it seems less than Gay.

The Army of the Left have destroyed themselves.

Such has been the tide of history, and now we find many Closet Left claiming to be Right, but voting for the destruction of the America some of us grew up in and hold dear. They ignore the Constitution and do not think that
all Rule is with the Consent of the Governed.

They have sold their souls to industry when they were elected by the People to protect them from the wealthy.

They support Foreign Powers above the best interests of the People.

They have used the power of the United States to destroy the lives and well being of smaller countries, for their Masters.

Fifty years ago we were a Beacon of Hope for the World. Our new form of Government stood out against thousands of years of corruption.

Relight the Lamp of Liberty, let it burn brighter than ever, fuel it with the blood of the corrupt.

"My country right or wrong. If right, to be kept right, if wrong to be set right."

However, during his first few weeks on the job, Michigan Republican governor Snyder and the Republican controlled state Congress:

-stopped the state tax from falling as it was scheduled to do
-starting taxing pensions which were not taxed before
-eliminated tax deductions
-eliminated the earned income tax credit

All in his first month of Synder's first term, and right after Synder spent months promising "NO TAX INCREASES" And when challenged about his broken promises he actually said the above "changes" were not tax increases per se.

"Conservative principals" is lip service for most Republicans.

I forgot about that.
There were other taxes added as well.
Though in those cases he had more Democrats and Moderate Republicans than Conservative Republicans voting of them.

Conservative Principals,

Do not spend more than you have.

Keep the State barely solvent, tax the least to reach that goal.

Detroit is not the economic engine it once was.

Flint was voted the most likely place to get killed.

Cities cannot produce the sales and property tax to fund Police and Fire.

Counties have to step in, they cannot afford it.

This is putting more burdens on the State.

In California, State Police are the law in some failed cities.

State money supports the schools, fire department.

AS for highways, Ike built the American Autobahn and States only paid a small part.

That was sixty years ago, a lot needs to be rebuilt, all of the post WWII boom is now rundown.

Water systems, sewers and treatment, schools.

Cities are a Ponzi, as long as it is growing they can do anything, as soon as decline sets in, just keeping the lights on costs more than they can pay.

Cities can just walk away, so can Counties, States are stuck.

As for the Highway Bill, something national has to happen.

There are more important things to spend money on.

Universities are the best predictor of future economic growth.

Medical Care is a must for development.

Some Federal road and High Speed Rail that runs over a big chunk of Detroit, and connects Ann Arbor and the upper peninsula to Chicago, plowing through South Chicago, Toledo, Cleveland, Pittsburg, and on to the East Coast.

No State can renew the Ohio Valley rust belt.

It is still losing population, but the next wave will be War Babies dying, then it will be ready for redevelopment.

Conservative, holding on to the best, developing it.

Preparing for a future when industrial robots will do more of the work, with a Robotics Department at the University.

The people of Detroit and Flint are not part of the plan.

Building the high speed trains can be part of the plan.

I do not look at what is, but what can be.

Maggie Thatcher put a million men out of work, and pretty much all of them never had an opportunity to earn an honest living for the rest of their lives.

Not following you on man spreading. From where i sit, the Liberal Media (jon stewart, etc) were openly mocking the so-called "issue".



Greece is a good example to use here. Because they are an extreme example.

The nation of Greece engaged in an elaborate fraud over decades in order to secure loans that it knew it could not pay back.

Indeed, aside from having lied openly and frequently about the state of their economy, they have spent a century or more failing to even properly collect their own taxes.

Tax evasion in greece isn't just rampant, it's commonplace. Everybody who can get away with it, which is pretty much everyone except for small business owners (For various reasons) just bribes their tax collector.

There are innumerable other dodges, like a clause in their property tax law which prevents you from having to pay taxes on a structure until construction is complete. They have this down to a science, and it is normal for the wealthy to go as far as to specify right on the blueprints what part of the structure will be left unfinished, and how to obscure that part with the landscaping, so that when the tax man comes around, they can show him the exposed re-bar, or whatever.

If that weren't bad enough, it is completely normal for politicians to secure favor with their electorate by way of patronage - what we called the spoils system in the USA until a hundred or so years ago.

A huge number of greek citizens hold government "jobs" that do not require them to work, or show up at any particular place at any particular time outside of a few formalities now and then.

Glaring examples included a committee that had been formed for the purpose of draining a shallow lake and converting the lake bed into farm land, which was still in existence, members drawing salaries, a full decade after the lake had been successfully drained.

An auditor uncovered an intricate fraud by which an entire rail system's construction and operation had been funded for several years despite the fact that no such rail system existed, had ever existed, or had in fact been planned. And he was, somehow, prosecuted for having uncovered this.

What i'm getting at here is, Greece is on a wholly other planet when it comes to comparison of debt.

largely with regard to their ability to service their debt.

While it is absolutely true that per-capita national debt in the USA is 35% worse than it is in Greece, the difference is that we can actually service our debt, and they can't.

To put this in simple terms, it is better to owe $250,000 on a 30 year mortgage with a monthly payment that is less than 1/4 of your income than it is to owe $1000 to a guy named Rudy who will break your thumbs if you don't cough it up by the end of the week, when you are unemployed and have no other source of income.

Indeed, the quality of US Debt is such that we are in fact the best game in town, and US Treasury Bills are still the preferred long-term security of sovereign wealth funds and large corporations the world around.

There was even a period during the depths of the recent recession when T-bills did not track inflation, and large companies and other governments were quite literally paying us to hold onto their money for a while.



Unemployment Insurance is just that - insurance. Your state is required to maintain an insurance fund for the purpose of providing displaced workers with bridge funding, to allow them enough leeway and time to find new work that allows them to earn At Their Earning Potential, because this is the best thing for the economy as a whole.

It is in your best interest for someone capable of paying taxes on a $50,000/yr income, and pay bills and buy stuff with that income, to keep earning and paying at that level, rather than being forced into a dead-end low-wage job that will interfere with their ability to find better work just so that they can survive.

To make this possible, employers are required to pay into the state unemployment insurance fund for every employee they have. This is, in a very real sense, essentially like deferred wages, because the value you create for your employer enables them to pay into the UI fund.

Unless your state is run by corrupt politicians or morons, like Georgia for example (iirc), the UI fund will expand during boom times enough to carry through leaner times.

Most states did not deplete their UI funds. Except stupid states. Particularly in the south. Which greatly decreased their UI premiums after the previous recession.

In non-moronic states, unemployment insurance payouts were not in any way funded through taxes.

As for wall street and the banks, it is a dereliction of justice that we don't see any bankers making license plates, but the banks, and GM, have paid back their bailout money. With interest. We made money on that deal.

If you want to b***h, b***h about Credit Suisse and Societe General - which aren't even american banks - getting 100 cents on the dollar through the bailout of AIG, while most other insured banks got maybe 30 cents on the dollar. To my knowledge, the AIG bailout has not been paid back. They're not a bank - they're an insurance company that stupidly agreed to pay out 100 cents on the dollar for a whole lot of credit default swaps.



Honestly you think that Obama got elected twice by pandering to maybe 7% of the population?

You don't think maybe there's some kind of broad, better than 50% of voters sort of appeal?



Uh, ok.



I'll need a credible citation for that homosexual education in first grade claim.

Universities are just free market profit-seeking organizations selling a product the public demands. How useful that product is, isn't necessarily their concern.



Illegal immigration is way, way down over the last 6 years actually. Mostly because construction work dried up, I'll admit.



How do you figure they "fill" our prisons?

About 26% of our prison population is non-citizen. That includes both legal and illegal immigrants. It's not clear how much of each. People who are here legally are of course subject to our laws, and their conviction and imprisonment may or may not invalidate their right to be here, but their presence wouldn't become "illegal" until their time is served.

Undocumented immigrants, particularly mexicans, are actually less likely than citizens of similar race and social status to commit crimes. Probably because it was so hard to get here, and they knew people who died or got raped trying to get here.



We are a nation of immigrants, built on the concept that people can come here from somewhere else to seek a better life.

I submit to you that we have precisely the immigration policy and enforcement that corporations such as Mariott, Aramark, Cargill, Archer-Daniels-Midland, Tyson, Smithfield, and Con-Agra prefer that we should have.

Do you think that if they wanted it some other way, they could not accomplish the changes they might seek through campaign contributions and lobbying?

Isn't it convenient that E-Verify is a pretty much useless program?

Don't you think that US corporations are profiting from the availability of a labor class that cannot expect equal status under law?

I don't think these posts are convincing me that they were right to let you stay on. What a load of twaddle.

The thread was, Why doesn't the right speak up more?

No one to speak to comes to mind.

You can have whatever is possible, and you can pay for.

There are also priorities. Some things are mandated, the Health Education and Welfare of the People.

I do not think we are doing a good job on the basics, and National Defense is a disgrace.

Across the board, most people seek quality education, leading to good jobs, with health care, dental, and some retirement.

At the same time robotics, software, offshoring production, and HB-1 labor, and illegals, are undercutting the market for humans.

The jobs of the future will take education, so social support systems, Universities, Government backing, to even be in the running for the huge investments needed in future industries.

Everyone is seeking security in an unsecure world. Showing good management at the State level, paying your debts, not spending on non core issues, is what it takes to partner with Business.

Someone who moved here last month, got a drivers license, is not a Stockholder in the State. They are owed nothing. On the other side, the State has no claim on those who left for lack of economic opportunity.

The Right has an incentive to make it work for the most people, The Left just complains.

That sums it up quite accurately.

Having Democrats and Republicans argue with each other certainly leaves me and others a lot of time to accomplish the things important to us. So, in my opinion, I say "keep it up." Both extremes are just wasting their time (though they don't realize it yet). Has neither side realized that politically unaffiliated U.S. voters are now the largest plurality in the nation ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/recor ... dents.aspx )?

It all makes me laugh with satisfaction.