It would be fine to kill God?

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Disbelief is the first route to reach to nihilism.
Do you really want to people to fall into despair and become rampant?
It's fine for us to kill God? Since when we stop to believe on him, we are basically killing him?
Who will be at the top of the hierarchy?

Will you be able to accept the will to power? Since God doesn't exist and you just assume that we are just mammals trying to push our genes foward, will you be able to complete the task to compete against other mammals and complete the duty of your existence, which means that you are only here to have children, and if you aren't able to do that, you just failed to do what was your main biological goal, to mate and have children, like any other living being?

Christianity is basically a slave morality, when you assume that the Christian God or any other God doesn't exists, then you are just assuming that we are in the same level of any other animal, or you never had to think about it?

I am an atheist, but I cannot deny that the christian values were the best thing that ever happened to the western society. Our society were built on those values, they may be false and doesn't suit the human nature at all, but they suppress our agressive nature and it creates what we perceive as good and evil.

To debate if God exists or not is for Kindergarten people, what I am saying here is what will replace the goal of every human being once it is completely destroyed? The only thing left is to embrace the will to power, the human nature, our animal instincts, because your mind will never accept any other theories since they are false.

It's fine to kill the God(specially the christian God) thus killing christian values?
Are you ready to embrace what the human being really is? I doubt, most people don't even had thought any further than that, I myself was an avid atheist, but once I stopped to think about what we really are, well, must admit that it's far from encouraging.

I'm wondering how this relates to the so-called "God Is Dead" controversy that raged around 1965-1966.

I don't believe in God the same way people around me do but it is true creation forces have fashioned a planet and what we have is our energy and we can channel that energy if we become aware. This seems divine and godlike.
I am not a creationist, as in a God created the planet. Forces created it! I am an Energist and believe in powerful energy states we all have within us. We can project them and perform miraculous feats.

If you see the people around you, you will notice that everyone has their "own" God on their own way.
It's ridiculous, people just create their own God to support whatever are their beliefs, most christian people are hypocrite, most agnostic people are hypocrite thus any person values are just selfish at the point that they create their own entity to satisfy themselves.

I can't be hypocrite about it, the truth can be harsh, but it's impossible for me to believe in a lie.
There is no energy, no Gods, no Justice.
Justice is subjetive, good and evil are subjective, things are just like this, universe is random, your life is random and everything else is random.

There is no meaning for anything, things are just like this, and what we define as good and evil is what suit our beliefs, if a person tries to kill you then it would be evil for you, but, it can be good for the person who is trying to kill you.

Justice is subjective---but it is moral and good---and it keeps people alive.

Why?!?!?!...what did she do?!?!

I would take a considerable amount of "Christian values" over nihilism any day!

I like Christos's energy of grace, kindness, mercy, compassion but knowing what I know of Christians around here, I would take neither their values or nihilism. Christians, in too many instances, prefer to excuse criminal behavior or at the worst, cover it up all the time telling the rest of us we are broken and unworthy unless we are exactly like them and follow the Bible word for word even though it's written by Unknowns who contradict each other every other verse. They need to worry about their own problems instead of trying to force the world to live the way they do and around here, it's not a very practical way to live.

Nihilism is not the answer, either, for obvious reasons. Who wants to live in a nihilistic world of hopelessness and despair. I prefer an energized world of awareness and knowledge, starting with the self. If you know yourself, you can avoid being a criminal. If you are aware of your own energy states, you are less susceptible to forces you feel you cannot control.

Atheists are not especially more prone to despair than theists.

Nobody will be at the top of "the hierarchy". Who says we need a hierarchy?

This does not follow. We may be the result of millions of years of natural selection but we are under no obligation to reproduce and that is not our "purpose".


... unless you think there are things which distinguish us from some other animals, such as sentience. Some animals are sentient, but we shouldn't put ourselves above them.


No, post-Christian values are much better. Following Christian values would have you persecute homosexuals for no good reason, for example. It's only because of the likes of Bentham that we've rejected this morality.

It will differ between individuals.

You're gonna have to explain this...


It's actively a good thing. I'm more concerned about "Christian values" than the god itself, actually.

Go on, then, what are we, really? And why does belief in god change that?

Believers have something to cling onto in harsh times, and furthermore, if you were born with a disability, disadvantage with your gender peers, a religious person would be able to deceive himself to believe that they will have a second chance, that the life on earth is just a phase and even if they were born screwed, ugly, m***et, undesirable, dumb, with brain illness or anything, they still have something to rely on, their fantasies and beliefs, it's a form of protection and denial of the truth.



Hierarchies do exists and will always exists, post communists theorized that they could bring everyone on the same baseline, both in the sexual and economic way, but they can't make people be equal in the sexual aspect, people will always try to be better than each other to attract more peeps from the opposite sex.
It's true that some people may value you more than others, but there is a common pattern in mammals and it's not different in humans.

When people meet you they will value you by your gender beauty, wealth and social influence if you are a male.
It varies in gender roles, a woman will praise protection and security, hence they are attracted towards wealthy, tall, independent, influent and muscular males. They seek a male who is better than them or seem to be better, women are naturally submissive and they seek someone to take care of them and their offspring. Therefore that's why most women are attracted to "bad boys", they seem to be more independent and strong.

Men seek submissive traits, they praise beauty and fertility at most, because men values their counterpart by their capacity to raise children, I am not saying that they rationalize about it, but their unconscious warn them when they see a young and pretty lady, with big breasts, a thin waist and large hips, it's a signal of fertility and men are attracted to these traits in every place of the world.

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Culture has an impact on it, it can supress and inflate these traits, but you wont see a society of amazon women and house husbands in the world.




Your brain had developed under millions of years of natural selection, we carry an ancient brain in our skulls, living in modern society for a couple of centuries, do you think that it doesn't pressure us to follow some goals in our lives? When you look at a pretty and young lady, can you just switch it to on or off by thinking that she isn't pretty?
Or when you relish a delicious meat or when you quench your thrist by drinking water, do you choose to not like of it's sensation or taste?
Of course that we are under no obligation to reproduce, but it's wrong to say that your ultimate goal isn't to reproduce, since we are like any other living being, and if you see around you their main goal is to reproduce.
This would be just a excuse to deny the truth.




Of course we are above other animals, our capacity to surpass them with our intelligence put ourselves above them. Or chances to kill another animal are far greater than any other animal trying to kill us.
You feed yourself with other animals everyday, still you say that we aren't above them.
For a living being to live, something have to perish, any animal needs to feed themselves from another being, like I said before, there will be always hierarchies, no matter how evil it may sounds to you.




I do agree that we shouldn't persecute homosexuals for any reason, but I can't deny that a homosexuality isn't natural, it's a flaw, a genetic illness, like being an aspie.




Yes, it can differ between in individuals, but there are some needs to fill our instinct desires.

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You can deny some of these needs, but in exchange you will suffer.



We are selfish animals, we are agressive, dominant, resources are scarce, either sexually speaking or economically speaking. Males are prone to violence to adquire status and resources, because it draws the attention of the female gender, if you look around you, you will realise that, I am not saying that you are or I am like that, but everyone is like that in a certain degree.

After this rant I will just say that the christian values were made to supress our animal drive, they created the monogamous relationship and the core of family as the main base of western society. Allowing the beta males to mate and have children with beta women.
Most eastern societies were under polygamy and only the wealthiest males could mate and have children.

For example, a monogamous relationship isn't natural for a man, because men are polygamous.
And women are hypergamous, because they need to bear a child for 9 months, so they are naturally more picky.

Beauty and fertility are the main concerns of most women.
Independency and wealth are the main concerns of most men.

Christian values reduce these animal traits and it gives more chances to both males and females to have a "happy" life, because the most important things in life is to create bounds with other people which means that having a family is a common goal because well, it makes sense to reproduce right?

Hence it enhances the chances of the weak to live and have a happy life, countries under christian values do respect the human being, their property, independence of the individual, freedom to work, the protection of contracts, the right to defend yourself either economically speaking or physically speaking.

Christian values are the best weapon created by the weak to fight against the stronger, it has created great opportunity for them to achieve a happiest life, you can notice that christians do avoid to take advantage of their wealth and beauty to help the people who are worse than them(Of course, some people will keep doing that, because hell, we are still filthy animals aren't we?).

And that's why I beg for all of you, do not kill the christian God.

The world of ideas fortunately is a much bigger place and there are far better options than Abrahamic literalism vs. atheistic nihilism.

It's a mistake to equate atheism with nihilism.

You think that if there isn't a supernatural uber-being and an afterlife that there is no goal?

Nonsense. Goals for a "next life" and an invisible warden in the sky were never worthy goals.

If this life and this world is all we have, they are all that matter.

If there is no god to save us and no devil to destroy us. we can stop abdicating our responsibility and stop making excuses.

Much evil has been wrought and it was wrought by man.

Much good has been wrought, and it was wrought by man.

Oh, the if you don't believe what I do you are a nihilist fallacy...

No, that just makes you unable to accept that some people don't share your belief.

You seem to be basing your argument on a flawed understanding of evolutionary biology.

Could you please find a reliable source for the claim that, for example, most men did not mate before "Christian morality" showed up?

Further mistakes you make: I do not eat animals, I do not attempt to impregnate every pretty girl I see (and nor do most heterosexual men), homosexuality is not a "mistake", "unnatural" or a "genetic illness", men and women have a wide range of sexual preferences (and most women certainly aren't attracted to "bad boys"), large breasts are not a sign of fertility, Maslow's hierarchy is not very good, males are not "prone to violence to acquire status and resources" and that does not tend to attract women, and Christianity neither has a monopoly on monogamy nor actually encourages it.

One minute you say we are above every other living being, the next you say that, like every other living being, our main goal is to reproduce.

I'll venture that a very sizeable portion of terrestrial animals... I'll be specific. There are more terrestrial animals that make no attempt to reproduce than there are primates. The homosexual black swans who takeover nests because their combined strength is greater than the true parents are fairly insignificant, the billions of worker hymenoptera (and naked mole rats) are not.

I don't think animals have a "main goal" of reproducing, they don't really have any "main goal" at all. Reproducing is just something they tend to do.

Rather than making things up that fit your world view or unquestionably swallowing the ideas of those who do, search for the evidence behind claims, and question it.