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04 Jun 2015, 7:34 pm

I was shocked by just how broad of a brush this post paints with, and it gets away from discussing power dynamics, a valid issue, to only paint with a broad brush. It's quite amazing:

https://factcheckme.wordpress.com/2012/ ... uivalence/

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i cannot overstate how violently criminal this is, like mens poetry which uses letters and words to obscure various truths, and to contort and obfuscate information rather than convey it.


Criminal, eh? Like they-should-be-locked-in-prison criminal? Also, what do you mean by men's poetry?

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in fact, men should not be allowed to be poets. male poetry is obfuscating on its face. there should not be any demand for this, being that the entire world is saturated with it — with males using words to obfuscate information rather than convey it — already. and yet it still has value. why? plus, male poetry and all mens writing is almost always trite. actually, if trite and obfuscating were negative criteria, men wouldnt be allowed to write anymore at all.


Really? Jesus. Talk about a desire to stifle dissent.

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note the recent use of the obliterating false equivalence where moderators of an online forum — because they put an equals-sign in between a woman protesting rapey death threats from a misogynist, and that misogynist himself — deleted cathy brennan’s tumblr account. yes, a woman protesting disgusting, misogynistic and likely psychotic and even criminal behaviors from a misogynistic male was said to be engaging in behavior that was equally violative of the terms of service as the rapey perv who threatened rape, and who dumpster-dives surveils, trespasses, loiters and stalks women and minor children to gain access to their discarded trash so he can perv on it, and writes about his exploits on tumblr.


She has a point here, as this does seem wrong.

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but obviously, the thing about putting an equals-sign after anything men do is that men do criminal things, violent things, in their global campaign to increase their own power at womens expense. these criminal behaviors have misogynistic foundations and flavors, but they are criminal, and violative of the terms of service in many public and private places because of that. because they are anti-social, and criminal.


I stop reading here. It's one thing to discuss power dynamics, but quite another to paint with such a broad brush in one's writing.


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04 Jun 2015, 8:51 pm

Crazy is as crazy does.

I look at crap like that as being like performance art. And I'm clearly not the intended audience.



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05 Jun 2015, 12:46 am

Sugar and spice and everything nice, is a lie!

We hold these truths to be self evident, Girls Have Cooties!



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05 Jun 2015, 7:38 am

Well that was weird. Anyway, isn't poetry supposed to obfuscate? Otherwise it's just a statement, not a poem.



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06 Jun 2015, 1:47 am

With the posts I've been seeing lately by extremist feminists, this doesn't surprise me. There's an entire hashtag on tumblr dedicated to #killallmen. If it's male, it's automatically evil and a rapist, even if he's a toddler.


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08 Jun 2015, 12:31 am

^i've seen posts about feminists aborting male fetuses and dreaming about male castration ceremonies, and then i remember one thing - poe's law.

noone outside of blogs and tumblr rakes these reptiles seriously, right?

...right?


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10 Jun 2015, 2:06 pm

Any feminist who thinks the world would be a better place if men were more feminine, is extreme enough.



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14 Jun 2015, 2:18 pm

Janissy wrote:
Well that was weird. Anyway, isn't poetry supposed to obfuscate? Otherwise it's just a statement, not a poem.


No no, poetry is shrieking demonizing hyperbole into a mic.


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15 Jun 2015, 9:28 am

I have noticed on various news sites (Yahoo News, HuffPo, etc) that female posters who are against any sort of abortion restrictions had been advocating mandatory vasectomies for males as young as 9. What they're saying is basically "You can't control our reproductive rights, but we can sure as hell control yours."


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15 Jun 2015, 9:40 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
I have noticed on various news sites (Yahoo News, HuffPo, etc) that female posters who are against any sort of abortion restrictions had been advocating mandatory vasectomies for males as young as 9. What they're saying is basically "You can't control our reproductive rights, but we can sure as hell control yours."


That's just reactionary. It's like saying, you want to keep women from getting abortions but balk at the idea of men being forced to get vasectomies which would prevent a lot of the abortions from happening in the first place. I doubt they really expect a law like that to be enacted or want it to be. What they want is for it to be up to the individual. Men decide when and if they get vasectomies, women decide when and if they get abortions. This is truly all they want. Most of the ones deciding laws are men and women feel they shouldn't be the ones deciding it since it doesn't directly affect them, just indirectly.



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15 Jun 2015, 9:53 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
I have noticed on various news sites (Yahoo News, HuffPo, etc) that female posters who are against any sort of abortion restrictions had been advocating mandatory vasectomies for males as young as 9. What they're saying is basically "You can't control our reproductive rights, but we can sure as hell control yours."


That's just reactionary. It's like saying, you want to keep women from getting abortions but balk at the idea of men being forced to get vasectomies which would prevent a lot of the abortions from happening in the first place. I doubt they really expect a law like that to be enacted or want it to be. What they want is for it to be up to the individual. Men decide when and if they get vasectomies, women decide when and if they get abortions. This is truly all they want. Most of the ones deciding laws are men and women feel they shouldn't be the ones deciding it since it doesn't directly affect them, just indirectly.


I don't support any sort of restrictions on reproductive rights, just pointing out the double standards among people who post things like that.


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15 Jun 2015, 9:53 am

How come we don't see any posts here about extreme male chauvinists? Many of these men have massacred women because they blame every stupid little thing on us. They can't get one of us for a date? We must all die. Studying in college? We must all die. Have to sit down while we pee? We. Must all. DIE.



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15 Jun 2015, 10:10 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
I have noticed on various news sites (Yahoo News, HuffPo, etc) that female posters who are against any sort of abortion restrictions had been advocating mandatory vasectomies for males as young as 9. What they're saying is basically "You can't control our reproductive rights, but we can sure as hell control yours."


The difference being, the ones who are against abortion site religious reasons and will not just go away while the ones posting that stuff about vasectomies would let go of the issue if the anti abortionists would just go away. The only reason they post that stuff is to get even with the anti abortionists. They have no rationale for it. They most likely don't care one way or the other. They are just looking for weapons to use against the other side.

They say if men could actually physically give birth to kids, abortion would, suddenly, be just fine. It would be a freedom protected by the constitution, one of the fundamental God-given liberties and rights.

I often ponder how much better off the species would be if we could all simply reproduce asexually that means EVERYONE could give birth to at least one child and wouldn't need anyone else to reproduce. That way all of us would be on an even keel. You would see a lot of these issues evaporate into thin air, or, they would never exist in the first place.

Strictly philosophically speaking, I would even go on to type, it's a bit of a curse the way we must reproduce. Look at all the issues and problems surrounding reproduction. If everyone could simply reproduce on their own, imagine, no more custody battles, abortion fights, sexual assaults and everyone would have a child of their own to focus on so they would be busy raising it. Neither men nor women would covet not having a child or the birth experience, everyone would have it.



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15 Jun 2015, 7:58 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
How come we don't see any posts here about extreme male chauvinists? Many of these men have massacred women because they blame every stupid little thing on us. They can't get one of us for a date? We must all die. Studying in college? We must all die. Have to sit down while we pee? We. Must all. DIE.


murderers are criminals, not sociologists.



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16 Jun 2015, 1:32 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
How come we don't see any posts here about extreme male chauvinists? Many of these men have massacred women because they blame every stupid little thing on us. They can't get one of us for a date? We must all die. Studying in college? We must all die. Have to sit down while we pee? We. Must all. DIE.


If one side does it, the other side does it as well. Which is why I think it's silly for people to take such extreme sides (ie, all men must die, all women must die). Might as well just kill the human race, because there is no one above reproach. Humans may not be inherently evil, but power corrupts, and the desire for power and the desire to stop being oppressed in any form (real or perceived) can certainly cause people to do despicable things.

Do I take these extremist feminists seriously? Only so far. I believe that there are women out there who do believe the "male disease" needs to be "cured" but they are few, they're just loud. The only time we have to worry is when they get a foot in the door to making things law (such as how in domestic disputes, the male will almost always be arrested even if he's the victim)


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16 Jun 2015, 3:51 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
^i've seen posts about feminists aborting male fetuses and dreaming about male castration ceremonies, and then i remember one thing - poe's law.

noone outside of blogs and tumblr rakes these reptiles seriously, right?

...right?


Wrong.

MAry Daly literally called for the massacre of 90% of the male popiualtion, as did Sally Gearhardt, Valerie Solanas, Robin Morgan...

Catherine Comins said that false rape allegations were useful as a sword of Damocles to control men - she went on to draft VAWA...