Was 9/11 an inside job with no planes?

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...just look at all of those "awake"™ people making comments in response to this You-Tube video... them "Crazy Conspiracy-Theorists"™, man, just no end to more and more people who are getting "brain-washed"™ by that "Crazy Belief"™ about how they think they are now suddenly "awake amongst a bunch of sheeple"™ after being exposed to some of that "Crazy Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy-Theorist"™ nonsense.

I mean, seriously, just look at some these "crazy"™ comments that they've made, like this one, this comment has a whopping 138 up-votes by one of those people who actually allowed a "Crazy Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy Theorist"™ video to convince him ! The nerve & the blasphemy !

Here is another comment by one of those "crazies"™ along with a whopping 38 up-votes...

...plus another one of those "Crazy Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy-Theorist"™ shills trying to terrorise our government... that has 65 up-votes to her comment...! What is this world coming to when so many people are clearly joining those lunatic Conspiracy-Theorists™...

...that is only a handful few, too, and there are plenty more comments that are clearly due to people having been "brain-washed"™ by them "Crazy Tin-Foil Hat Lunatic Conspiracy-Theorists"™ who seem to think that our government(s) would actually lie to us about anything ! They even have the audacity to do things like actually questioning the "Official"™ stories by our government ! I fear™ that soon this world may end up becoming full of nothing but a population running around in those "Guy Fawkes"™ masks...!

No planes?! What? Are you actually serious here? I often find it hard to tell whether someone is just joking, or... no, you can't be serious. Besides, many of the more mysterious aspects of 'nine-eleven' (ex. the explosions heard by rescuers, the 'pancaking' of the office towers) have been satisfactorily explained. The official story is actually true, as it turns out.

Hey, man, I am just exposing those lame-tactics of those "Crazy Lunatic Tin-Foil Hat Nut-Jobs Conspiracy-Theorists"™ on 9/11 ! Here is another hoot... they have even made claims that there are "Crisis-Actors" who pretend to be victims or family of victims or related to families of victims !

Although there are a variety of "Crisis Actors 911" videos around I like to study & investigate what these "Crazy Lunatic Tin-Foil Hat Nut-Jobs Conspiracy-Theorists"™ are up to via going into their more lengthy & detailed documentary-style videos in order to figure out all of the manners & tactics that they use in order to be tricked™ into believing in all of these Non-Official™ Conspiracy-Stories... like in this presentation...

Them "Crazy Lunatic Tin-Foil Hat Nut-Jobs Conspiracy-Theorists" even think that they know everything about these terrorist-incidents & even make comments about how they've even "researched everything" or perhaps thought that they did anyway... like this dude...

~but, WAIT ! There's MORE!! ! Them "Crazy Lunatic Tin-Foil Hat-Wearing Nut-Jobs Conspiracy-Theorists"™ even go so far as to "challenge" we "Smart-People"™ with comments like the following...

...both quotes are responses to the You-Tube video linked in this response. /nod /nod
With a name like "Shining" Sage it must be a role-player who "Shines" (similar in a manner of how a certain Werewolf [or was it a Vampire] would apparently "Sparkle" from some bad movie that came out back in the day).

I wouldn't be surprised if they even made claims of "Fire-Fighters" also being "Paid Actors" too !

The 1962 U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed operation against the Cuban government known as Operation Northwoods called for the Central Intelligence Agency or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods ).

The interesting thing about Operation Northwoods is its proposed details which match the 9/11 attacks almost exactly.

No they don't. They no more fit 9/11 than they fit every shooting, terrorist attack, or boat sinking... or than your daily horoscope fits you (and me).

I do think unless Jeb Bush wins, now that George Bush is long out of office the 9/11 truth movement is just going to keep on withering away. I also think they erred in pursuing arcane explosion theories not well understood by the public. What would be the purpose of crashing planes into the towers and exploding them? All 9/11 “conspiracy” theories revolve around getting the American public to back essentially what they have backed. Without the “controlled explosions” you would have downtown Manhattan unusable for months as they figured out what to do with two unsafe 110 story towers. That would have frightened the American public enough without the risk of the “controlled explosions” being exposed during its set up or afterword's.

If you want to look for unofficial 9/11 theories, look at the obvious. The 30 Year business relationship between the Bush and Bin Ladin families. The Carlyle group meeting that happened before and during the attack was attended by Bush Sr, former British PM John Major, former Secretary of State under Bush Sr. and uber political player James Baker and Shafiq bin attended. And for those who still think there might have been a controlled explosion Marvin Bush the presidents brother was the CEO and his cousin Wirt Walker III worked until 2001 for a company that did security consulting for the World Trade Center and United Airlines. You would think that after the biggest crime/act of war in US history and the paranoia since then that these relationships would have been subject to massive exposes and investigations. You would think that hundreds of Bin Ladin family members in the US at the time of 9/11 would have quarantined and waterboarded. Nope, they were evacuate en mass within weeks of 9/11.

But everybody focused on thermite.

http://www.denverpost.com/rodriguez/ci_4319898
http://news.sky.com/story/209876/bin-laden-family-evacuated-from-us
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratesec
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Carlyle_Group

You mean the Moon-based laser? Nobody in the truth movement gave that idea a moment's thought. There are valid concerns about 9/11. Even the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (9/11 Commission) members were critical of the official explanation ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... Commission ). And, the congressional Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 was at least equally as critical. The now-infamously redacted 28 pages of its report which allegedly linked Saudi Arabia to the hijackers is now the focus of much attention in the Congress.

As for the nanothermite, there are several reasons to question its existence in the pulverized WTC-building dust ( http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-to-deb ... te/5360964 ). I agree that it isn't the easiest idea to explain to most people, but its research paper is still public, accessible and fairly easy to understand ( http://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf ).

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No I mean the WTC controlled explosion theories. Nanothermite might be important but is arcane to John Q. Public. You have arguments only chemistry/building demolition buffs/experts understand. The relationships including one that might be related to a possible controlled demolition would be understood by anybody who has watched a police show as suspicious, a basic topic for investigation.

Thermite is old news... Molecular-Disassociation is the New Kid on the Block now.

Something about Micro-Wave-Effect Laser-Weaponry from Satellites.

I am disappointed that it isn't longer like some of those one-hour or two-hour or even three-hour documentaries™... ahem... I mean... mockmentaries™. I want to start hearing about how it's due to Aliens being the real culprits behind the WTC-incident & that the Aliens were using Alien-Level High-Energy Laser-Weaponry & Alien-Level Hitler-Style mind-control/propaganda to make everybody think that humans did it all the way from a cave way over in Afghanistan (and that those Caves are actually some kind of secret James-Bond-style net-work of High-Security Secret-Government facilities full of High-Powered Quantum-Level Super-Computers ! ).

There is probably more truth to 9/11 conspiracies than anybody would feel comfortable admitting, I'm thinking more advanced knowledge something might be up and maybe contact with the hijackers or involvement from foreign governments like that of Saudi Arabia. The stuff about no planes or explosives seem pretty silly, the Pentagon and the theory about Flight 93 actually being a shot down are kind of interesting to play around with. In the end I don't think our government deliberately killed 3,000+ Americans but at the very least they do hold responsibility for pissing the crazies off in the first place with our reckless foreign policy. As for the truther movement, I think you'll probably see it get rehabbed a bit and become more acceptable to question the official story the longer we are removed from the emotions of that day but I think it would be more akin to the interest in the Kennedy assassination.

Interesting thought - is the reason that truthers are all completely devoid of critical thinking skills because everyone with an critical thinking skills can see that the "official story" more or less makes the most sense (bar the possibility of a foreign government being involved), or because any truther with critical thinking skills knows it isn't worth the social stigma?

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Nope. Afraid not. 9/11 was real that's why you see all this Homeland Security stuff everywhere.

I've heard of damning with faint praise so this must be the reverse, praising with faint damn. For all your trademarked disclaimers, you seem pretty admiring of these people for being so skeptical of the government.

But it isn't actually the government, or even the media, they are being skeptical of. They are actually calling everyone who witnessed it in New York City that day, or ran from the falling towers, or survived....just, or lost somebody liars. This nonsense could only come from people who have never actually been to NYC, let alone lived there or lost somebody who was in the towers or in a plane or in the Pentagon that day. This level of disconnect must come from people who experience NYC only as a backdrop to movies and TV shows.

NYC is not a soundstage. This was lived by thousands of people. I am 2 degrees of separation from 2 people who died in it, meaning they were not my loved ones but the loved ones of friends. For this to be remotely plausible, not only would everyone in NYC that day have to be in on it, but everybody who lost somebody- even if somebody they only saw on fun visits to NYC (or Boston or LA, don't forget the plane passengers) would also have to be lying about their loss.

These people need to go to NYC and visit the memorial site. I have (2 degrees of separation) and there is no way you can be there and still maintain the personal fiction it was all somehow a government TV show.

I think it really happened on the 9th of November and the US is just covering it up

I will say this: the notion that the Kennedy assassination might have been a descendant of Operation Northwoods in order to blame Castro (Oswald's suspicious public connection to the Pro-Castro Fairplay For Cuba Committee when he also had secretive Anti-Castro associations in New Orleans, as well as his "trip" to the Cuban embassy to Mexico where he allegedly had tried to talk to the a Cuban national suspected to have been involved in "wet work") might not be such a crazy notion. Especially considering how the CIA's contract agents, contacts, and "user friendly assets" in their Anti-Castro operations were fanatically dedicated heart, mind, and soul to their cause, and hated Kennedy as much as they had hated Castro for what they saw as his betrayal at the Bay of Pigs.
But all that Truther conspiracy crap is just that... crap. It insults the memory of those who died on 9/11.

Is it "crap" to try to get the U.S. and Israeli governments to admit that the U.S.S. Liberty was attacked in 1967 by Israel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident ) and essentially covered up?

How about the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident ) that former U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara admitted in 2003 "never happened"?

You admit that certain U.S. government actors (CIA and DOD) likely acted in ways that could be called false-flag attacks, but not 9/11, despite the Operations Northwoods documents? It is only a difference of scale.