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22 Jul 2015, 3:46 pm

A study was done (presumably by a liberal source) to cite that in general, Conservatives are less creative i.e. intelligent than liberals. This was published online in several articles.

There are quite a few more liberals in the performing arts- yes that is true. But arts and entertainment are not the only sources of creativity. Not only are there conservatives in the "arts", but conservatives are likely to create businesses and technology- that is also creativity.

I know many Obama supporters that are not all that highly creative. Some are your typical sports watching TGIFridays crowd. And I am a conservative musician who also is a writer and a painter. What makes people think conservatives can't create?



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22 Jul 2015, 4:02 pm

It's easy for penniless, liberal young people to think taxation is a good thing, however, when they get older and starting earning money, they wise up and become conservatives.

So, I would think liberals are likely younger, less intelligent, less successful, poorer, naive, though, maybe more creative because of their youth.

“He who is a not a [liberal] at twenty compels one to doubt the generosity of his heart; but he who, after thirty, persists, compels one to doubt the soundness of his mind.”
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22 Jul 2015, 4:27 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
It's easy for penniless, liberal young people to think taxation is a good thing, however, when they get older and starting earning money, they wise up and become conservatives.


Or they just simply become corrupted by greed.

"He who loves gold will not be justified, and he who pursues money will be led astray by it. Many have come to ruin because of gold, and their destruction has met them face to face. It is a stumbling block to those who are devoted to it, and every fool will be taken captive by it." - Sir. 31: 5-7

"Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up for treasure for the last days. Behold, the wages of the labourers who mowed your fields, which you have kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter." - Jam 5:1-6

...I mean, if we're going to start quoting stuff.



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22 Jul 2015, 4:30 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
It's easy for penniless, liberal young people to think taxation is a good thing, however, when they get older and starting earning money, they wise up and become conservatives.

So, I would think liberals are likely younger, less intelligent, less successful, poorer, naive, though, maybe more creative because of their youth.

“He who is a not a [liberal] at twenty compels one to doubt the generosity of his heart; but he who, after thirty, persists, compels one to doubt the soundness of his mind.”
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/24/heart-head/


I'm older, and I'm still penniless and liberal. And as a matter of fact, I write.
And for the record, I have never claimed soundness of mind.
As for the OP - conservatives are usually people geared more toward making money, and being a success in life than they are to dedicating their lives to the arts, as there's rarely any money in it save for the very successful. That, and conservatives - especially social conservatives - tend to have too many taboos which dissuade them from taking part in the arts (think only of how the religious conservative establishment in Shakespeare's time called the theater evil - and the same applies today with the right's damning of Hollywood). After all, social conservatives have been on the side opposing homosexuality, and in the past, interracial marriage, things that people in the arts - and liberals - have rarely been afraid of. Of course, there have always been exceptions to this rule, as the outlandishly eccentric artist Salvador Dali was a supporter of fascism in Spain (even though one of his closest friends had been murdered by the right wing dictatorship there).


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22 Jul 2015, 4:46 pm

Well, although some folks will suggest that Standard IQ folks of Mensa numbers are of genius intelligence; Mensa intelligence is often useless in creating anything new in life; in fact, some Mensa folks are so functionally disabled in areas of intelligence well outside the scope of Standard IQ intelligence that they are functionally disabled in life of areas of cognitive executive functioning like focus and short terms working memory; as well as functionally disabled in the creative and imaginative physical intelligence of moving that allows one to regulate emotions and integrate senses in ways of better gaining existential intelligence in even basic ways of being comfortable in one's own skin and able to connect in successful ways in the greatest intelligence of human being social cooperation of Unconditional Tough and PASSIONATE Love for Living, surviving, connection, and yes of course; reproducing; as humans are among the most viable reproducing mammals on our earth; when healthy and yes; also when exercising the intelligence of sensuality as an all around intelligence associated with sexuality that as science shows is an origin of human creativity and productivity of course balanced with the emotion of human love as necessary attribute to bond and stay as a village in raising children to be fully human too; as science shows that humans not properly nurtured with kind and loving touch feely Love in the first two years of life, in particular, do not make the proper wiring to ever become fully human in ways of connecting to other human beings successfully as it intrinsically feels good to do that; and much better than not to do that; all naturally of course; in oxytocin ways of bonding reflected in mirror neuron ways of connection in empathic connections and expressions as well.

(Note: I have very high standard Verbal IQ; so some of my sentences are long; but I develop a creative way of of overcoming that so some folks can wade through my expression of that; no longer allowed on this Internet site; so pardon me for my expression of high standard IQ up there; as I do play by the rules at hand, as well, as dictated;)



And here is an excellent resource on the difference between liberals and conservatives; and in general conservatives are more averse too the spicy of human sensuality where muse of life is both given and received in full body ways of emotions and senses where the middle parts have not cold and dead in feeling as yes; once again, use it or lose it applies. So, since there is no real objective test to measure creativity consistently as Even Einstein is not good at math; and he himself credits imagination for his achievement over book learning; but almost no one discredits him below the status of Genius for his CREATIVE EFFORT IN LIFE IN WHAT he does is NEW; AND NOT OLD SCHOOL STUFF.



Close minded individuals will obviously never match creative intelligence over open minded folks; but on the other hand closed minded folks can have incredible standard IQ's and still be living at home; extremes in standard IQ are more often an indication of an imbalance of human intelligence rather than truly balanced intelligence and overall effective and affective greater overall intelligence.

There is no doubt that this rules true in my life as I have no problem admitting that I am functionally retarded in physical and emotional intelligence before I gain that well after the age of 50. Recently I am assessed by a poet of an online International Poetry site as having Profound Genius; most of my creative genius in empirical measure at highest heights of creativity occur the day or so after I Rave dance with scores of Gorgeous women and practice an extremely sensual intelligence in male nude art that some of my dancing friends share with me out of interest in that ART.

Yes, there is a science of creativity and without understanding that the liberal values of an open mind for sensuality is a sure block to gaining the greatest of human potential in human creativity; as a balance of lust and love in open minded
ways of liberal being; is reported as most definitely associated by science; there is no doubt in my mind; as before I gain
my wings of freedom in liberal freedom of expression; my creative wings are clipped to the bone; and people call me
computer head; instead of guy with profound genius. Life is much more interesting when one lives it Liberal; but of course not all humans are cut out for that; as even science shows in the general animal kingdom; about 20% are born as sitters and the rest rovers; and of course our mechanical cognition culture over social cognition in the age of the machine rather than human being bring that percentage up closer to 30%; but the rest of us now thrive in creativity with technological tools created, ironically, by some folks who are effectively not liberal at all; when it come time for fuller measure of that..:)


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22 Jul 2015, 5:01 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
It's easy for penniless, liberal young people to think taxation is a good thing, however, when they get older and starting earning money, they wise up and become conservatives.

So, I would think liberals are likely younger, less intelligent, less successful, poorer, naive, though, maybe more creative because of their youth.

“He who is a not a [liberal] at twenty compels one to doubt the generosity of his heart; but he who, after thirty, persists, compels one to doubt the soundness of his mind.”
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/24/heart-head/


I'm older, and I'm still penniless and liberal. And as a matter of fact, I write.
And for the record, I have never claimed soundness of mind.
As for the OP - conservatives are usually people geared more toward making money, and being a success in life than they are to dedicating their lives to the arts, as there's rarely any money in it save for the very successful. That, and conservatives - especially social conservatives - tend to have too many taboos which dissuade them from taking part in the arts (think only of how the religious conservative establishment in Shakespeare's time called the theater evil - and the same applies today with the right's damning of Hollywood). After all, social conservatives have been on the side opposing homosexuality, and in the past, interracial marriage, things that people in the arts - and liberals - have rarely been afraid of. Of course, there have always been exceptions to this rule, as the outlandishly eccentric artist Salvador Dali was a supporter of fascism in Spain (even though one of his closest friends had been murdered by the right wing dictatorship there).


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Don't feel too bad; most folks assessed as LIBERAL creative geniuses; LIKE VINCENT VAN GOGH; are assessed as such after life; as duh; they are ahead of their time and so-called common folks do not understand what they do; until they as a group catch up to understand what they DID.

I am like Grand MA Moses; as I start later; so I accumulate my riches first; that makes me even more functionally able to create at ease; without satisfying the LIMITATIONS AND EXPECTATIONS IN opinions of others who have no frigging idea what I am doing yet.

WHAT'S kinda cool about a Vincent Van Gogh today; is there is a clear historical precedence for that; so ya don't have to feel so isolated and alone; although of course one often is; if one does not play by the prison of cultural norms and regulations; not to get outcast from the herd or sheep at hand; whatever the leader of the group may dictate that as..:)

Technology and stored riches provide the answer for that; as being outcast now; does not necessarily; though often still does; spell starving to death conversely WITH money in the bank; a retirement; and a steady supply of grocery store, and buffet food as I regularly indulge in and share, as my own personal creative effort as ART, online now..:)

No telling what Grand MA Moses could of done now if she only has an iPhone, iMAC, iPAD, IPod, and MacPro to deliver the creative goods; with her talent of course, still fully in tow and in the creative know and feeling of THAT..:)

HELL, WE should all be creative geniuses by now; with all those free association tools for those who expand their mind out of the box of school stuff too..:) If a person does not work and just createS now; the possibilities and potentials over the course of life now are practically LIMITLESS like that movie by the same name too! and Lucy too; that movie is super kool; and OH MY GOD does she increase her physical and emotional intelligence too!..:)

I love 'Lucy' the most i think; of all those trans-human movies coming out now; and just to think; it's already possible without drugs for the folks in the know and feel all about THAT..;)


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22 Jul 2015, 6:11 pm

Typically conservatives are very narrow minded in their beliefs and those beliefs are highly strict in upholding them.
Conservatives typically only associate with those who share their values and beliefs while actively avoiding/protesting those who are different.
Typically a conservative who is willing to broaden their horizons, winds up being shunned by their fellow conservatives.
Closing oneself off from the wider world, typically leads to a decline in overall creativity.


The literal definition of a liberal is anyone who fails to fully accept, practice and/or rejects conservative values and beliefs.

A conservative believes in trickle down economics, tax cuts exclusively for the rich, overspending on the military (it is now the biggest part of the U.S. federal budget), privatization of everything including education, living by God's Law and others.

You reject or fail to uphold these values and beliefs makes you an automatically a DIRTY LIBERAL! !

Lastly both CREATIVITY & THE ARTS have been traditionally classified as liberal values over thousands of years of human history (liberal typically fund them, while conservatives typically banish them).


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22 Jul 2015, 6:28 pm

A lot of people use the word creative when 'imaginative' or 'expressive' would be a better choice. Escher was very imaginative, but not at all expressive. A lot of pop musicians are the opposite.



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22 Jul 2015, 6:31 pm

I hold very strong socialist beliefs.

With that said, I disapprove of the pissing contests between the left and the right.

We should be learning from people who hold differing beliefs instead of dismissing them as less creative/intelligent/phallically endowed.



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22 Jul 2015, 6:38 pm

KagamineLen wrote:
I hold very strong socialist beliefs.

With that said, I disapprove of the pissing contests between the left and the right.

We should be learning from people who hold differing beliefs instead of dismissing them as less creative/intelligent/phallically endowed.


I side with every word of this. A beautiful painting is still beautiful regardless of who it was painted by.



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22 Jul 2015, 7:17 pm

Isn't creativity the prerogative of creationists?


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22 Jul 2015, 7:23 pm

KagamineLen wrote:
I hold very strong socialist beliefs.

With that said, I disapprove of the pissing contests between the left and the right.

We should be learning from people who hold differing beliefs instead of dismissing them as less creative/intelligent/phallically endowed.

It's not really a true pissing contest, it never has been.

Even going as far back as revolutions of 1848, the birth year of Modern European liberalism.
The conservatives/traditionalist/right (including in the UK) used military and police power to crush the revolutions to secure their power (and cheap labor).
It backfired and left/liberals (not all leftist are true liberals) won in the end as economic and human toll rose, causing many conservatives to cave.

U.S. liberalism defeated U.S. conservatism (mainly because they backed slavery to secure the union) during the civil war, securing the passages of the 13, 14, and 15th amendments.

Though U.S. conservatism briefly rebounded until TR came to power and started reforming everything, which was carried on by FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK and peaked with LBJ.
They briefly rebounded with Reagan and Bush II.

During the conservative periods following the U.S. civil, the conservatives used military and police power to crush the workers movements, women rights movements, civil rights and others killing tens of thousands of Americans.

Conservatives rarely choose the democratic and judicial processes to achieve their aims.

Oh lets not forget both WWI and WWII were triggered due to Nationalism (conservative principle) and Imperialism conservative principle).

The U.S. was the only true liberal nation fighting in both wars.

When U.S. conservatives held office during the cold war, they intervened in Central and South America by arming the conservatives/right against the democratically elected liberal governments under the guise they were communist sympathizers who were going to nationalize everything and buddy up to the USSR.
Obviously the conservatives/right succeeded in violently overthrowing the governments of Central and South America and continued to violently slaughter the opposition due to American help.
Millions perished in the Dirty Wars of the Americas, which has ultimately damaged their relations with the U.S. for the time being.
Though it is leading to an EU style unification of South America to counter U.S. and foreign influences in the region.

Thatcher still is hated in Scotland and the UK, due to her violent crackdown on laborers during her long reign as PM.
This began the national independence movement in Scotland to leave the UK.

Turkey's formerly ruling AKP conservative party, used the military and police to violently crackdown on the opposition and public protests, though thankfully the Turkish public used the democratic process to oust the AKP's ruling majority.

Or Canada's conservative government and PM has been ruling since 2007 (they don't have majority support of the public, the public keeps splitting their vote for other parties) has been leaning on the police under the guise of terrorism to crackdown on the opposition and public.
Oh Canada is now in a deep recession for the first time since WWII and has it's biggest budget deficit since the 1980s all under a conservative government and PM who has ruled since 2007.
Though the PM Harper said the opposition and it's liberal allies are the cause of all the bad that has happened under his government's 8 year reign.
Harper has also vowed to secure conservative rule in Canada at all costs.
Here's the conservative government's response to the deficit news:

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Justin Trudeau is the son of Pierre Trudeau (the 15th PM of Canada), and the leader of the liberal party and opposition in parliament.

Anyways history has shown us that conservatives/right are willing to use military/police power over democratic/legislative/judicial to carry out their policies, typically.
The liberals/left typically use the democratic/legislative/judicial processes to carry out their policies.


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22 Jul 2015, 7:25 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
A study was done (presumably by a liberal source) to cite that in general, Conservatives are less creative i.e. intelligent than liberals. This was published online in several articles.

There are quite a few more liberals in the performing arts- yes that is true. But arts and entertainment are not the only sources of creativity. Not only are there conservatives in the "arts", but conservatives are likely to create businesses and technology- that is also creativity.

I know many Obama supporters that are not all that highly creative. Some are your typical sports watching TGIFridays crowd. And I am a conservative musician who also is a writer and a painter. What makes people think conservatives can't create?


I was going to say that the study is a line of bull and probably done by a liberal - then I reread your post and saw it was a liberal source. Ha! That explains it all. :lol:


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22 Jul 2015, 7:27 pm

Sounds really pedestrian.

An article that shows what kind of political and life beliefs the most creative 1 to 5% of liberals vs. the most creative 1 to 5% of conservatives have would be way more interesting. To throw the bumpkins in as free money for one side or the other doesn't really explain or correctly interpret it's most artistic nor does it have any effect over whether they exist.


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22 Jul 2015, 7:29 pm

Of course; they invent new ways of being wrong every day.


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