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Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?
Hillary Clinton 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Bernie Sanders 57%  57%  [ 31 ]
Joe Biden 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jim Webb 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Martin O'Malley 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Lincoln Chafee 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Not voting Democrat 35%  35%  [ 19 ]
Total votes : 54

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19 Aug 2015, 3:34 am

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John Johnston, Republican candidate for Indiana House District 10 said on his Facebook page: "What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life for them never-the-less. No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade." When contacted by local paper the Post-Tribune, Johnston attempted to clarify his comment saying "I was not trying to hurt anybody's feelings."

at least with this particular fascist pig you know where you stand. I can respect his candor, even as his cold-bloody-mindedness disgusts me. the worst part about many righties is that they will not show such candor to outsiders.


I suspect I'd be one of those who'd he'd let "wither and die."

also, myself for sure. I can't make money for anybody so I am, in this fascist pig's view, just "a useless eater." these people worship at the altar of money, and the love of money is the root of all evil.


Well, we "eaters" need to organize, so useless sacks of sh*t like him will know that we vote, too!

It might take more than voting.


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19 Aug 2015, 3:49 am

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I think a big part of that comes from the fact that we are discouraged from having any sort of class consciousness, with the combination of lies that class warfare equals class envy, and that any poor person could join the upper class if he or she just works a little harder.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
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19 Aug 2015, 3:57 am

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I think a big part of that comes from the fact that we are discouraged from having any sort of class consciousness, with the combination of lies that class warfare equals class envy, and that any poor person could join the upper class if he or she just works a little harder.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
John Steinbeck


Steinbeck was correct.


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19 Aug 2015, 8:14 am

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What's perverted about caring for the needy?


Bernie Sanders idea of "caring for the needy" is to put his foot on your throat and demand money from you.

It's morally wrong.

And you are wrong, his "concern for needy people" is a smokescreen. Like most socialists he gets downright nasty if a company moves jobs to poorer countries that would greatly help the very poor there. He doesn't give a hoot about the very poor.

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Especially when many of those needy are children, or are idsabled.
And by the way, quite a few of those "non-earners" were working people left destitute by capitalism, which promises to make everyone rich, while cutting wages and benefits, and even outsourcing and cutting jobs. And that's all the while Carly what's-her'name, like other CEO failures like her, drove her company into the ground, yet got a golden parachute when fired. She didn't give any of the thousands of workers she fired any sort of parachute when she proverbially tossed them from the plane.

Capitalism doesn't make promises.


I don't know that exploiting people in 3rd world countries is the same thing as 'helping' them, and that is what a lot of major corporations do when they take jobs to poorer countries...its not about helping them its about using desperate people who will work for next to nothing to save a few bucks. Perhaps we need someone in office who will get nasty towards such corporations. Anyways though the economic inequality has to be addressed somehow, more and more people are qualifying for welfare programs,non-specialized jobs are decreasing, cost of living increasing, wages aren't increasing to keep up with it....ignoring those issues wont make them go away. Cutting all welfare and creating even more desperation among the poor isn't going to help the infastructure...trying to 'eradicate' the poor would surely bring all sorts of trouble for human rights violations maybe the wealthiest can afford to pay higher taxes or at the very least have less loopholes and ways to get out of paying them....better than the alternatives.

I would respectfully suggest you go to Bernie Sanders website and see what Bernie is calling for and why. I think you might be pleasantly surprised. Among other things, he is calling for rebuilding our infrastructure like we did in the depression. His suggestion would create very many good jobs for those who participated in the rebuilding and we would feel good about what we were doing instead of fighting and dying for oil.Rebuilding our infrastructure is the things which we spend taxes on that is truly an investment. Had we stayed the hell out of Iraq and instead spent that trillion dollars or so on our infrastructure, we'd be sitting much prettier right now with more wealth...



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19 Aug 2015, 8:59 am

Hillary's lead continues to erode, she's now below 50% in consecutive polls, Bernie Sanders at 30%, Biden in low teens. I expect Biden will get a bump when he enters the race, Hillary has to testify in front on congress in October which will be bad publicity, this email stuff won't end, and I can't imagine the debates will help her.



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19 Aug 2015, 12:37 pm

I'll happily take bets on the outcome of Democratic nomination. Even give you odds; 5:1 for either Bernie or Biden.


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19 Aug 2015, 6:29 pm

I can't help but think shrub II's gonna be installed no matter what.



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19 Aug 2015, 9:40 pm

I would say that Hillary's chances of being president are about as good as her chances of being indicted, if the Obama administration is at all consistent she will be criminally prosecuted just as David Petraeus was who was given a much lighter sentence than the ones given to those with less power and name recognition. Is justice blind or it all a farce? I think we know the answer from Obama's DOJ. Hillary has too much baggage, she could be a ticking time bomb if allowed to cruise to the nomination. Her lead over Trump has shrank to the same levels as the rest of GOP pretty much, it's starting to look like Trump actually has a path considering Hillary's negatives are on par with his own and his is only likely to get better. Biden in my opinion would be a much stronger general election opponent for Trump, Biden is a likable guy and pretty good debater albeit gaff prone but I don't even know how much of a negative that is at this point, voters might find it endearing. These elections are decided a lot on personality and Hillary turns off a pretty huge portion of the electorate on top of all the scandals. For what it is worth, Hillary was polling about the same at this time in 2007 when she lost to Obama.



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19 Aug 2015, 9:41 pm

it's gettin' scary. 8O



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20 Aug 2015, 12:18 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I think a big part of that comes from the fact that we are discouraged from having any sort of class consciousness, with the combination of lies that class warfare equals class envy, and that any poor person could join the upper class if he or she just works a little harder.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
John Steinbeck


High taxes and employment laws have made the US worker one of the least productive workers in the world.

The poor demand high pay, and then they wonder why their employer is moving to China.

It will interesting to see how Seattle fares with their $15/hour minimum wage.



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20 Aug 2015, 12:32 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
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I think a big part of that comes from the fact that we are discouraged from having any sort of class consciousness, with the combination of lies that class warfare equals class envy, and that any poor person could join the upper class if he or she just works a little harder.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
John Steinbeck


High taxes and employment laws have made the US worker one of the least productive workers in the world.

The poor demand high pay, and then they wonder why their employer is moving to China.

It will interesting to see how Seattle fares with their $15/hour minimum wage.


So American workers are supposed to be just fine with getting rid of labor laws that protect them? And why shouldn't poor people want a good wage? If workers were payed enough to not just live, but to enjoy living, there would be far less people needing the social safety net.
Incidentally, countries like Germany, Japan, Sweden, the Netherlands, and others have a well payed working class, and powerful unions, and their corporations aren't acting like rats deserting a sinking ship like their American counterparts do.


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20 Aug 2015, 12:52 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I think a big part of that comes from the fact that we are discouraged from having any sort of class consciousness, with the combination of lies that class warfare equals class envy, and that any poor person could join the upper class if he or she just works a little harder.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
John Steinbeck


High taxes and employment laws have made the US worker one of the least productive workers in the world.

The poor demand high pay, and then they wonder why their employer is moving to China.

It will interesting to see how Seattle fares with their $15/hour minimum wage.


So American workers are supposed to be just fine with getting rid of labor laws that protect them? And why shouldn't poor people want a good wage? If workers were payed enough to not just live, but to enjoy living, there would be far less people needing the social safety net.
Incidentally, countries like Germany, Japan, Sweden, the Netherlands, and others have a well payed working class, and powerful unions, and their corporations aren't acting like rats deserting a sinking ship like their American counterparts do.


America has the highest corporate income tax in the world.

Cutting taxes is the answer.

American companies are doing back flips to avoid that tax e.g. 'corporate inversion'.



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20 Aug 2015, 1:13 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I think a big part of that comes from the fact that we are discouraged from having any sort of class consciousness, with the combination of lies that class warfare equals class envy, and that any poor person could join the upper class if he or she just works a little harder.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
John Steinbeck


High taxes and employment laws have made the US worker one of the least productive workers in the world.

The poor demand high pay, and then they wonder why their employer is moving to China.

It will interesting to see how Seattle fares with their $15/hour minimum wage.


So American workers are supposed to be just fine with getting rid of labor laws that protect them? And why shouldn't poor people want a good wage? If workers were payed enough to not just live, but to enjoy living, there would be far less people needing the social safety net.
Incidentally, countries like Germany, Japan, Sweden, the Netherlands, and others have a well payed working class, and powerful unions, and their corporations aren't acting like rats deserting a sinking ship like their American counterparts do.


America has the highest corporate income tax in the world.

Cutting taxes is the answer.

American companies are doing back flips to avoid that tax e.g. 'corporate inversion'.


Is taxation justification for deserting loyal American workers, and for devastating whole American communities? Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.


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20 Aug 2015, 1:26 am

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Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.

Spoken like a true totalitarian.



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20 Aug 2015, 2:09 am

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Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.

Spoken like a true totalitarian.


No, I just happen to know that the elites of capitalism leave whole communities devastated when they pull up stakes - and not just their former workers now left jobless, but every small business that had depended on those workers as customers are also wiped out. What about them? Am I a terrible person because I consider the welfare of whole towns, cities, and regions to be more important than the profit margin of some soulless corporate entity? Seriously, you people on the right hold property rights above human rights, especially if that property is owned by the wealthy.


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20 Aug 2015, 2:26 am

i'd bet many of them too, are under the mass American delusion that they too will get rich and be able to leave their riffraff neighbors behind in the dust. little do they know, that they too are "headed to the vet's to get 'tutored."'