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26 Jul 2015, 11:57 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Yep, America as a whole is plagued by violence. If it were not, they wouldn't talk about it every night...

Oh boy, that's real convincing. :roll:



They talk about it all the time on television and on the radio, too.

Sigh.....
If it bleeds it leads is why.
Stop embarrassing yourself.



I think shes too far controlled by the left to come back to reality :(

.....and denies her anti-gun sentiments and agenda as if we are stupid.

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anyone that is smart doesn't trust the news. they don't even bother to tell the truth most the time anymore and stopped issuing corrections. use to be they'd wait and make sure it was accurate before putting news out now they rush in and as its happening spew lies and what they think is happening. remember how the guy used a ar15shotgun in the navy yard shooting.

Wait now! Only Fox lies. The rest can be trusted. Just ask any liberal.
The news media LOVES violence and strife. They were just about openly baiting it after the George Zimmerman verdict.

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then again according to the news there's only one gun in existence and its a ar15. use to be there was only a ak47 but guess all those got converted to ar15s right? any time there's a robbery, shooting, mugging etc, they say its an ar 15. no agenda there. nope not at all.

Hell, they even tried to play the card that Dylann Roof wanted an AR-15.
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As Charleston gradually lays to rest nine shooting victims from last week's church massacre, a police report reveals self-confessed shooter Dylann Roof had wanted a much deadlier weapon.

Earlier this year, he told an officer he wanted an AR-15 assault rifle.

A search of Roof's car turned up six crescent-shaped, 40-round magazines in the trunk.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/
Talk about grasping at straws. :roll:
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wait a second I have a crescent-shaped, 40-round magazine in my room. help me raptor before it kills me.
are the crescent-shaped, 30 round magazines ok. I have a bunch of those. or are the in cohorts with the 40 round one. if so we may nee more man power.

also if they going to call them assault rifles I think we should pass a law that says any rifle called an assault rifle should be legally made into one and paid for by the gov then given back to the owner. mean it only seems fair if they going to call it something it's not that it be made into that. ie refit all simi auto rifles to be select fire. or more easy just remove that full auto laws. don't believe anyone with a $20,000 assault rifle has or likely will do a shooting.

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The white supremacist couldn't come up with the cash to get the big gun, he told an officer. He said he wanted it to take to a firing range, according to a Columbia police report.


buys 600 dollar pistol, can't afford 700 rifle. hmm. crazy people be crazy. also the glock can have 50 round drug mags. so it can hold just as many rounds as the ar. the left doesn't do its research another clear case of how low the news has fallen.

sad those people died, also sad there is no way to stop these types of things. you can't predict if or when someone will snap. most people will never snap but they can. anyone can snap. Obama could snap tomorrow and try to nuke russia. he probably won't but hes not free of the possible of going crazy. so how do you prevent something that could happen to anyone at any time. none of the gun control laws proposed would stop them.



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27 Jul 2015, 12:36 am

actually psychiatrists are pretty sure that they can predict who is likely to get violent



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27 Jul 2015, 12:38 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Pick any historic period the crime rate was higher.

What we have is 24/7 news driving views for profit.

Most crime is senseless.

Louisiana has recently captured three serial killers. It hardly made the local news as two were Black men who killed Black women, and the other was a Homosexual that killed men he had sex with.

Before that it was a white guy who killed old white people in their homes for money to go to the casino.

New Orleans has up to 400 murders a year. Almost all Black on Black, and almost all connected to drugs.

It was worse in the 90s. Over the last twenty years maybe 8,000 dead.

Mexico is trying to top Iraq and Syria. Per capita, Honduras is the killing fields. Places I went out drinking in Sula ten years ago now run with blood. Columbia is much worse.

All of South America has always had a higher murder rate.

America does have a crime problem, it is flooding over the southern border, and spreading through the Black community.

The civilian ownership of guns is forbidden in Mexico. See how gun control works.

LA has Latin gangs, mostly illegal, and they are mostly killing each other over drugs.

They are not buying fully automatic guns here, but they have them, and rocket propelled grenades. My gun store does not even have hand thrown grenades.

Some Latin gangs have several chapters in every State. They have military firepower.

The problem, Liberals love little brown people, and think of themselves as Uncle Tom's Cabin. They are going to help them to freedom, from a dozen murders in Mexico, and give them shelter where they can sell drugs.

Liberals are so good hearted they would throw a festival for the Hells Angles and the Banditos. That is what thy are doing, opening new drug sales areas, and leaving it to the gangs to sort out.

We do have a drug problem, a murder problem, but it is rooted in our idiot problem.

Now the idiots think the answer is disarming the law abiding gun owners, because they are White American Males?

It is like slaves. Legal property, a large investment, that some idiot decided to take.

Countries that have a Civil War do tend to have a second one.

So you have decided that you do not like the Constitution, and you and some friends are going to change it, abolish it, and make up your own laws. You are declaring yourself an enemy of The Constitution of The United States of America.

Treason takes several witnesses, we have that, Giving aid and comfort to an alien invading power, we have that, Publishing Seditious literature, we have that.

My advice is make a run for the border before you get caught, but do get a visa, because without one Mexico will jail you for two years before trial.


Thanks.
You know, Jindal could have brought all this up at that news conference. Instead, he chose to deflect.


Jindal was speaking at a funeral in a College town. Someone who had been committed to a mental institution managed to pass a national background check, bought a gun, came to a place where as far as we know he knew no one. Good young people died.

Lafayette is our second tier school. It has a well known Arts Program. Art, Film, Animation, and it is 55 miles from the Capital, Baton Rouge. It is a safe place we send our best children.

When Jindal heard, he got in a car and went there.

We do not care about the nation, news, issues, some of our people were killed. Here, when a hurricane strikes, those that can come by boat or truck and start digging through the rubble for survivors. We give aid and comfort to the survivors, and show respect for the dead.

Jindal did what we would expect of him, and did not even mention he was running for President.

Your gun issues are obvious, but hear the other side, we have gun laws, but they are not enforced.

Charleston, out on bail from a felony drug arrest, passed a background check.

Lafayette, a man from Alabama got out of a Mental Institution where he was sent by Court Order, history of violence, Protective Orders, local Police refused a Concealed Carry Permit, and he passed a background check.

By Law, both of them should have been refused. The ATF failed again, about ten good people died.

Government has also failed to enforce our immigration laws. Laws are not optional.

The issue is not our Constitutional Rights, it is the Government failing to do the job they were elected to do.

They failed in their sworn duty, ten good people died. That is the story here.

Those ten people left a hole in the lives of a hundred others, and we share their grief and morn for the departed.

Giving speeches standing on the casket of someone you do not even know is bad manners.



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27 Jul 2015, 12:45 am

Inventor wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Inventor wrote:
Pick any historic period the crime rate was higher.

What we have is 24/7 news driving views for profit.

Most crime is senseless.

Louisiana has recently captured three serial killers. It hardly made the local news as two were Black men who killed Black women, and the other was a Homosexual that killed men he had sex with.

Before that it was a white guy who killed old white people in their homes for money to go to the casino.

New Orleans has up to 400 murders a year. Almost all Black on Black, and almost all connected to drugs.

It was worse in the 90s. Over the last twenty years maybe 8,000 dead.

Mexico is trying to top Iraq and Syria. Per capita, Honduras is the killing fields. Places I went out drinking in Sula ten years ago now run with blood. Columbia is much worse.

All of South America has always had a higher murder rate.

America does have a crime problem, it is flooding over the southern border, and spreading through the Black community.

The civilian ownership of guns is forbidden in Mexico. See how gun control works.

LA has Latin gangs, mostly illegal, and they are mostly killing each other over drugs.

They are not buying fully automatic guns here, but they have them, and rocket propelled grenades. My gun store does not even have hand thrown grenades.

Some Latin gangs have several chapters in every State. They have military firepower.

The problem, Liberals love little brown people, and think of themselves as Uncle Tom's Cabin. They are going to help them to freedom, from a dozen murders in Mexico, and give them shelter where they can sell drugs.

Liberals are so good hearted they would throw a festival for the Hells Angles and the Banditos. That is what thy are doing, opening new drug sales areas, and leaving it to the gangs to sort out.

We do have a drug problem, a murder problem, but it is rooted in our idiot problem.

Now the idiots think the answer is disarming the law abiding gun owners, because they are White American Males?

It is like slaves. Legal property, a large investment, that some idiot decided to take.

Countries that have a Civil War do tend to have a second one.

So you have decided that you do not like the Constitution, and you and some friends are going to change it, abolish it, and make up your own laws. You are declaring yourself an enemy of The Constitution of The United States of America.

Treason takes several witnesses, we have that, Giving aid and comfort to an alien invading power, we have that, Publishing Seditious literature, we have that.

My advice is make a run for the border before you get caught, but do get a visa, because without one Mexico will jail you for two years before trial.


Thanks.
You know, Jindal could have brought all this up at that news conference. Instead, he chose to deflect.


Jindal was speaking at a funeral in a College town. Someone who had been committed to a mental institution managed to pass a national background check, bought a gun, came to a place where as far as we know he knew no one. Good young people died.

Lafayette is our second tier school. It has a well known Arts Program. Art, Film, Animation, and it is 55 miles from the Capital, Baton Rouge. It is a safe place we send our best children.

When Jindal heard, he got in a car and went there.

We do not care about the nation, news, issues, some of our people were killed. Here, when a hurricane strikes, those that can come by boat or truck and start digging through the rubble for survivors. We give aid and comfort to the survivors, and show respect for the dead.

Jindal did what we would expect of him, and did not even mention he was running for President.

Your gun issues are obvious, but hear the other side, we have gun laws, but they are not enforced.

Charleston, out on bail from a felony drug arrest, passed a background check.

Lafayette, a man from Alabama got out of a Mental Institution where he was sent by Court Order, history of violence, Protective Orders, local Police refused a Concealed Carry Permit, and he passed a background check.

By Law, both of them should have been refused. The ATF failed again, about ten good people died.

Government has also failed to enforce our immigration laws. Laws are not optional.

The issue is not our Constitutional Rights, it is the Government failing to do the job they were elected to do.

They failed in their sworn duty, ten good people died. That is the story here.

Those ten people left a hole in the lives of a hundred others, and we share their grief and morn for the departed.

Giving speeches standing on the casket of someone you do not even know is bad manners.


Agreed. Mistakes were made in both cases. All I am saying is Governor Jindal might have said no comment at this time. He could have addressed the violent mindset behind the gun. He might even have come out and said the obvious, he supports the second amendment. All of those are acceptable responses. If he supports the second amendment now, he isn't going to change his mind in a few days, is he? If he supports it he supports it! The media is going to spin it regardless of when he elects to say it.



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27 Jul 2015, 12:49 am

sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Yep, America as a whole is plagued by violence. If it were not, they wouldn't talk about it every night...

Oh boy, that's real convincing. :roll:



They talk about it all the time on television and on the radio, too.

Sigh.....
If it bleeds it leads is why.
Stop embarrassing yourself.



I think shes too far controlled by the left to come back to reality :(

.....and denies her anti-gun sentiments and agenda as if we are stupid.

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anyone that is smart doesn't trust the news. they don't even bother to tell the truth most the time anymore and stopped issuing corrections. use to be they'd wait and make sure it was accurate before putting news out now they rush in and as its happening spew lies and what they think is happening. remember how the guy used a ar15shotgun in the navy yard shooting.

Wait now! Only Fox lies. The rest can be trusted. Just ask any liberal.
The news media LOVES violence and strife. They were just about openly baiting it after the George Zimmerman verdict.

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then again according to the news there's only one gun in existence and its a ar15. use to be there was only a ak47 but guess all those got converted to ar15s right? any time there's a robbery, shooting, mugging etc, they say its an ar 15. no agenda there. nope not at all.

Hell, they even tried to play the card that Dylann Roof wanted an AR-15.
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As Charleston gradually lays to rest nine shooting victims from last week's church massacre, a police report reveals self-confessed shooter Dylann Roof had wanted a much deadlier weapon.

Earlier this year, he told an officer he wanted an AR-15 assault rifle.

A search of Roof's car turned up six crescent-shaped, 40-round magazines in the trunk.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/
Talk about grasping at straws. :roll:
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wait a second I have a crescent-shaped, 40-round magazine in my room. help me raptor before it kills me.
are the crescent-shaped, 30 round magazines ok. I have a bunch of those. or are the in cohorts with the 40 round one. if so we may nee more man power.

also if they going to call them assault rifles I think we should pass a law that says any rifle called an assault rifle should be legally made into one and paid for by the gov then given back to the owner. mean it only seems fair if they going to call it something it's not that it be made into that. ie refit all simi auto rifles to be select fire. or more easy just remove that full auto laws. don't believe anyone with a $20,000 assault rifle has or likely will do a shooting.

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The white supremacist couldn't come up with the cash to get the big gun, he told an officer. He said he wanted it to take to a firing range, according to a Columbia police report.


buys 600 dollar pistol, can't afford 700 rifle. hmm. crazy people be crazy. also the glock can have 50 round drug mags. so it can hold just as many rounds as the ar. the left doesn't do its research another clear case of how low the news has fallen.

sad those people died, also sad there is no way to stop these types of things. you can't predict if or when someone will snap. most people will never snap but they can. anyone can snap. Obama could snap tomorrow and try to nuke russia. he probably won't but hes not free of the possible of going crazy. so how do you prevent something that could happen to anyone at any time. none of the gun control laws proposed would stop them.


They probably were 30 rounders since that is by far the most common. It gets back to how clueless and dishonest the media is. I don't k now how long its been since I've even noticed a 40 rounder or even if they still make them. Aside from a few 20's, all of my AR mags are 30 rounds.


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27 Jul 2015, 1:06 am

Supporting The Constitution of The United States is not optional.

Elected Officials are not allowed to take office until they swear to support and defend it.

Things have been added to it, but nothing has been removed.

It is the tie that binds us, and to this we pledge our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

OAnaO were you like, Home Schooled?



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They probably were 30 rounders since that is by far the most common. It gets back to how clueless and dishonest the media is. I don't k now how long its been since I've even noticed a 40 rounder or even if they still make them. Aside from a few 20's, all of my AR mags are 30 rounds.


another thing I wonder. why did he have magazines for a gun he didn't own. Im assuming ar mags. since theres no 40 round or crescent shaped mags for glocks.

magpull makes 40 round mags. They'll all I'll be buying from now on. holds 10 more rounds and is like about an inch longer. just like any pmag they work great.

should just turn every anti gun thread into a gun hobby thread.



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Supporting The Constitution of The United States is not optional.

Elected Officials are not allowed to take office until they swear to support and defend it.

Things have been added to it, but nothing has been removed.

It is the tie that binds us, and to this we pledge our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

OAnaO were you like, Home Schooled?

Well, you know, Inventor, this would have been a good thing for Jindal to have said but alas. He did not. Maybe you should run for governor.



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They probably were 30 rounders since that is by far the most common. It gets back to how clueless and dishonest the media is. I don't k now how long its been since I've even noticed a 40 rounder or even if they still make them. Aside from a few 20's, all of my AR mags are 30 rounds.


another thing I wonder. why did he have magazines for a gun he didn't own. Im assuming ar mags. since theres no 40 round or crescent shaped mags for glocks.

Wishful thinking maybe.

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magpull makes 40 round mags. They'll all I'll be buying from now on. holds 10 more rounds and is like about an inch longer. just like any pmag they work great.

I just now went to their website and checked them out. I noticed they also have a 60 round drum mag but I'm not into those on account of the bulk. Magpul has some pretty awesome stuff. My M4 has a lot of thier accessories on it.

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should just turn every anti gun thread into a gun hobby thread.

I've often wondered why WP doesnt at least have a general special interest forum and a pets forum since we tend to live for our special interests and our pets.


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They probably were 30 rounders since that is by far the most common. It gets back to how clueless and dishonest the media is. I don't k now how long its been since I've even noticed a 40 rounder or even if they still make them. Aside from a few 20's, all of my AR mags are 30 rounds.


another thing I wonder. why did he have magazines for a gun he didn't own. Im assuming ar mags. since theres no 40 round or crescent shaped mags for glocks.

Wishful thinking maybe.

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magpull makes 40 round mags. They'll all I'll be buying from now on. holds 10 more rounds and is like about an inch longer. just like any pmag they work great.

I just now went to their website and checked them out. I noticed they also have a 60 round drum mag but I'm not into those on account of the bulk. Magpul has some pretty awesome stuff. My M4 has a lot of thier accessories on it.

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should just turn every anti gun thread into a gun hobby thread.

I've often wondered why WP doesnt at least have a general special interest forum and a pets forum since we tend to live for our special interests and our pets.



for me its the price. I was really disappointed in them. they normal make great products for reasonable prices but decided to just join in on the over pricing drum mags. you can get 7 40 round mags for the price of one of the 60 round ones. so be able to carry 280 rounds or just 60. means more time shooting less reloading. though the steel 50 round drum cost $250. drums are just a nich market at that price. they should lower the prices, sell more, make more money, its while bulpups will never catch on too.

probably because there's a forum for all the other special interests on here but firearms. theres one for pcs, videogames, tv/movies, art etc.



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for me its the price. I was really disappointed in them. they normal make great products for reasonable prices but decided to just join in on the over pricing drum mags. you can get 7 40 round mags for the price of one of the 60 round ones. so be able to carry 280 rounds or just 60. means more time shooting less reloading. though the steel 50 round drum cost $250. drums are just a nich market at that price. they should lower the prices, sell more, make more money, its while bulpups will never catch on too.
Even if someone gave me a drum I wouldn't use it. They are just to bulky and clunky.

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probably because there's a forum for all the other special interests on here but firearms. theres one for pcs, videogames, tv/movies, art etc.

I meant a general special interests forum, not one for guns. There are plenty of gun forum sites on the net that we really don't need one here. I do think a forum for pets would be in order, though.


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for me its the price. I was really disappointed in them. they normal make great products for reasonable prices but decided to just join in on the over pricing drum mags. you can get 7 40 round mags for the price of one of the 60 round ones. so be able to carry 280 rounds or just 60. means more time shooting less reloading. though the steel 50 round drum cost $250. drums are just a nich market at that price. they should lower the prices, sell more, make more money, its while bulpups will never catch on too.
Even if someone gave me a drum I wouldn't use it. They are just to bulky and clunky.

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probably because there's a forum for all the other special interests on here but firearms. theres one for pcs, videogames, tv/movies, art etc.

I meant a general special interests forum, not one for guns. There are plenty of gun forum sites on the net that we really don't need one here. I do think a forum for pets would be in order, though.


not even at the range where you stand still?

my point being that most subjects that would fall under general special interest already have their own sub forum making a general one useless.

yes but like with most right leaning forums they don't like aspies or people on ssi. quite a few gun owners would have aspies locked up or at very least banned from touching guns. they think we are prone to violent outbreaks. to them we'll just mentally ill regardless of what the disorder really is. which is why I don't expect much help from most gun owners with the social security and the background check thing.
gun owners will happily throw other gun owners under the bus unless they meat their particular definition. ie hunters throwing anyone not owning a bolt action or pump action under the buss. or how ar owners threw ak owners under. our greatest enemy is ourselves more then the antis. most antis don't bother to push too much as it doesn't effect them, but when gun owners fracture into groups and attack each other the few anties who push can get stuff passed a little at a time. :(



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not even at the range where you stand still?

No, a lot of my shooting with a tactical carbine (or handgun, or shotgun) involves movement, use of cover, multiple target engagement, tactical reloads, etc.

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my point being that most subjects that would fall under general special interest already have their own sub forum making a general one useless.
I think you miss my point but whatever. I'm done with it.

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yes but like with most right leaning forums they don't like aspies or people on ssi.

I belong to several gun forums. How could they possibly know I'm an aspie if I don't tell them? I see no need or value in advertising it. People that meet me in real life notice sooner or later that I'm a horse of a different color.

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quite a few gun owners would have aspies locked up or at very least banned from touching guns. they think we are prone to violent outbreaks. to them we'll just mentally ill regardless of what the disorder really is. which is why I don't expect much help from most gun owners with the social security and the background check thing.
gun owners will happily throw other gun owners under the bus unless they meat their particular definition. ie hunters throwing anyone not owning a bolt action or pump action under the buss. or how ar owners threw ak owners under. our greatest enemy is ourselves more then the antis. most antis don't bother to push too much as it doesn't effect them, but when gun owners fracture into groups and attack each other the few anties who push can get stuff passed a little at a time. :(

Where are you getting this from?
I'm a volunteer Range Safety Officer and I have RSO duty at our range one day a month so I get to meet a lot of gun owners of all stripes. I admit that there are some anti-gun gun owners but they are a very small (albeit disturbing) minority. Recreational shooters in general are far from being as*holes and are most always very civil and helpful toward thier shooting peers.


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