Police want to force boy to have erection and take pictures

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09 Jul 2014, 3:21 pm

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Why is it a crime for someone to take pictures of themselves naked and send it to their SO, but legal for police to take the same naked pictures as proof of the act in the first place?

Why is it ok to charge a minor as an adult in a crime that, by definition, is only a crime at all because of the fact that he is a minor?

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09 Jul 2014, 3:40 pm

^^^ Sounds rather perverse to me! They seem to be seeking a legal excuse to have a naughty pic of a 17 year old erection on file!

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09 Jul 2014, 5:49 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:

Why is it ok to charge a minor as an adult in a crime that, by definition, is only a crime at all because of the fact that he is a minor?

That is a brain- hurting paradox.

Hopefully the case falls apart here:

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Police have already taken photos of the boy?s genitals as a part of their investigation, his lawyer told the Post. But they want to bring the teen to the hospital and inject him with something that will force an erection, to compare his erect penis to that in the video found on his phone.

Since that's a violation of medical ethics, they should get refusal from all area hospitals. This is visagrunt's area since he's educated in both law and medicine. I am thinking that hospitals are not actually allowed to do that but I might be wrong.

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09 Jul 2014, 6:23 pm

If this goes through, I hope the cop who's idea this was gets brought up on sexual exploitation of a minor as well as production of child pornography.

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09 Jul 2014, 6:25 pm

Hmmmm....

If a 30 year old takes a naked pic of a minor with an erection, and sends it through the US mail, then the thirty year old would be charged "as an adult" for trafficking in child pornography.

But if the minor himself sends a naked pic of himself with an erection through the US mail - the minor is also trafficking in child pornography. But should that minor then be charged "as an adult" for it?

I'll have to get back to you about that.

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09 Jul 2014, 6:34 pm

Two kids that did something stupid.No different than if they had showed each other their goodies in person.In fact this is better,no pregnancy.

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09 Jul 2014, 7:48 pm

I really don't get this whole thing. so if a minor takes a nude picture it's child porn. so aren't naked pictures of babies/todlers child porn?

yet everyone does it even calender companies. My family has naked pictures of me as a baby.

so basically teens can have sex under 18 in many states but can't take a picture of themselves o.O seems so stupid.

also annoying they will go this far for pictures, but when a 18 year old has sex with a 15 year old they don't care.

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09 Jul 2014, 8:37 pm

:roll: :roll:
You'd think the law would have better things to do.......

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09 Jul 2014, 9:09 pm

This is just another circumstance of police being corrupt. :roll:

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09 Jul 2014, 9:22 pm

Just another case of the state bureaucracy gone nuts. Here in australia we had a case where a guy was put on a bond for fondling his girlfriends breast through her jumper. He was nearly 20 she was knocking on 17, the girls mother saw it and reported it to the police. It went to court and the guy admitted to it. The Judge stated that if he had not admitted to it he would have dismissed the case but under the circumstances he had no choice but to record a conviction. The judge said something like "don't worry this wont affect you" 12 years later in the midst of paedophile hysteria the State government made a cross media announcement that they had rechecked all their teachers and they had found a hiding pedophile and sacked him. Guess who was now a very respected teacher at a small primary school, the community went nuts in defence of the guy but the government sacked him and put him on the sexual offenders list.

Like I said its all going nuts

One thought I have just had there does need to be a distinction between holding and sending consensual sexts and non consensual sending of them. Also if for example a couple break up and in revenge one partner posts the pictures online that should carry some sort of penalty. BUt the concept that a person can make self childporn and also be charged with storage of porn sent to them by another is ridiculous.

Also I did not see anything about the girl being charged with similar offences nor having police take photos of her why not!

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09 Jul 2014, 11:47 pm

sly279 wrote:

Not just naked. They have to be lewd (like a male with an erection). So typical baby pics wouldnt count.

But there is ANOTHER burning question this raises!

Everytime a minor masturbates - is it statutory rape?

The kid is having sex with himself. It maybe consensual, but both parties (he/she and him/herself) are underage. So the fact that it's consensual doesnt matter!

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10 Jul 2014, 12:39 am

naturalplastic wrote:

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ah but then why is non errect and non boobs naked kids considered child porn?

in some states age of consent and sex is 16. here it is 16 with a 3 year gap, except if one is under 18 and the other above 18. but even then its up to the cops to decide if they want to enforce it.

I don't think a 17 year old sending another 17 year old a nude photo should be considered child porn, just like an 19 year old having nude pictures of themselves at 17 shouldn't be considered porn

it should be considered porn is used and distributed as porn. if a couple films themselves and puts it on the web it becomes porn, but if they film it and show no one its not.

I also don't think people should be charged with child porn if say a kid sends a picture to them without being asked and the person never wanted it. or else kids can just send pictures to people they hate and f**k up their lives.

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10 Jul 2014, 2:24 am

naturalplastic wrote:

Everytime a minor masturbates - is it statutory rape?

I suppose then their parents should be held responsible for not taking appropriate measures to stop that, like using one of these.

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10 Jul 2014, 5:30 am

naturalplastic wrote:

Everytime a minor masturbates - is it statutory rape?

No, but it is murder of the Innocents :wink:

OMG that Heyser Chastity belt, my the religious can be f*****g insane

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10 Jul 2014, 12:47 pm

Why has nobody in the whole system said "hang on, we're being silly, let's just drop it"?

Doesn't the US (or this state) have a concept of "the public interest"?

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10 Jul 2014, 1:31 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:

It is completely ridiculous. These laws are intended to protect children, not persecute them. The girl was nearly 17 and her boyfriend groped her through her jumper; big deal. :roll:

My wife was married to her first husband and expecting their first child when she was 16 - and this was all perfectly legal in the UK. It makes a farce of the whole thing. That poor guy.

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