Why do so many of my people believe in God?

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I need more information to sync with what you are saying...
Please elaborate...

And please explain how this is relevant to what I had written...

Beg to differ...
What theists refer to as a soul...
A non-theist might think of as our genetic coding...

All we are...
All that we will be...is encapsulated in our biological housing...

Without a brain we have no mind...
No personality...
No morality...
No value system...
No self awareness...
No awareness...
No nuffin...



To some who are happy to work with probabilities rather than absolutes, near enough is good enough...

There are a plethora of sign posts suggesting the truth of our existence...
These can be accessed via:
*Anthropological studies...
*Historical and excavational evidence...
*Biological examination...
*Psychological exploration...
*Astronomical relevance...
*Evolutionary indicators...
But most importantly/critically, via the use of objective reasoning to interconnect/amalgamate all these these pieces of the puzzle...

Pepe, I'm pretty well sure if you spent a lifetime arguing with Thoma Aquinas you wouldn't arive at a conclusion. Knowing God cannot come from the intellect. It has to be a revelation and that would be the end of questions. It is something available to the simplest of people. It is usually found when people are willing to pray for an individual.

I am sure you are aware of the view certain scientists take about consciousness these days. I assume it is not to your liking.

I dont know about the others on here but I find these calls to accept something on someones elses mystic experiences really offputting.

Asking you to believe in something that I believe in just because I believe in it would be rude, if not against the basics of reason (Follow the link below).

Fallacy of Appeal to Faith

Many people also mis-identify various phenomena.
Saw an alien/UFO ? May have been attributed to being angels or God.
Hearing voices or some voice in your head from out of nowhere ?
Once more, may be mistakenly identified as God, angels, demons/nephilim if paranoid-religious, etc.

Another issue is how someone may have lived all of their lives in complete misery & unhappiness, but then encounters some life-experience for the first time that lifts their burden or allows them to feel freedom or positivity in the first time of their entire life, then they might equate the lifting of stress as being the same thing as intervention by God. Look up the many « why I am no longer a Christian » stories & you'll see that, when it comes to any extreme changes in beliefs, such as what I had experienced multiple times during this earth-life, such a thing is usually accompanied by extreme amounts of stress in some form or another (I have had a lot of practice which is why I can basically brush things off that would lead the vast majority of people in this world into suicide).

P.S. : I am going to now make this grandiose claim that I am a voice/prophet of God. What « God » apparently wants me to tell you, who believe in God, regards the fact that your treatment of others has more to do with your after-life destination than whether you believe that there is a God or not (Absolutely rich due to the fact that those who had engaged in activities like pogroms, crusades, inquisitions, witch-hunts, holocausts, etc., whilst proclaiming to go to heaven, were simply deceived by God instead [also, I will make another Grandiose-Claim, and that in these End-Days, the identity of Satan/Anti-Christ is none other than God itself !]).

It doesn't justify a system of emotional blackmail...
Very unethical...


That isn't the aspie way, grasshopper...


Would you agree that if there were a "creator", he/she got many things wrong?
Ergo, is not perfect?
If you don't, how do you explain miscarriages, for example?



Hence:
"God did not make man...
Man made god"...in his image...to service his emotional needs...

Apparently there are brain lesions which can produce "revelations" also...

Regarding Thomas Aquinas...
Interesting...
However...
How many believers, past and present, bore their belief through exposure to his muse-inations?

It is not enough to inherit a conclusion through accident or the accident of birth...
To gain intellectual/conceptual integrity, one must earn/work for it...

Totally irrelevant to our discussion, I admit, but an interesting concept just the same, would you not agree?

Would you prefer I renege on my inherent, god given desire for intellectual exploration?
Should I give up my hard won methodology used to carve out my understanding of "life, the universe and everything..."

For what?
A belief system which treated many so poorly...
A belief system which left many to the wolves?
In pits of despair, of confusion, of terror?

No my friend...
The line must be drawn here...
This far...
No farther!
And I will make them pay for what they've done!

If a God exists, as I believe to be the case, and demands we be ethical to one another, then it isn't emotional blackmail to tell people to be good to each other or else they'll pay the consequences for their indecency to one another in the next lifetime. That isn't emotional blackmail. That's what an ethical and non-interventionist deity ought to do.




The beautiful thing about aspies is that if you meet one aspie, you've only met one aspie. In other words, the spectrum of asperger minds is pretty broad enough where there is more then enough room for multiple, competing narratives coming out of, and being held by our people. But anyways... that's just my emotional yearnings. My belief in a God existing functions independent of that yearning, and isn't me animated by an emotional position that I spend my time rationalizing. If God was proven not to exist tomorrow, as fact, I'd still have that yearning, even if I openly acknowledge to myself its running counter to logic and fact.



To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure in what way you mean that question. I don't know of any human mind who could have created all that entails existence, so I don't know what one would measure God's successes of creation against. I don't know why a miscarriage is something God got wrong, if that event is biologically correct given the set of circumstances that bring on a miscarriage. Unless of course, a "correct" or even "moral" God is one that you'd rather have intervene on behalf of a mother who is undergoing that? And unsuccessful miscarriages would be relative to God's successes? Or the vast majority of human suffering, which is man-made?

According to Genesis, God acknowledged he made a mistake in creating us humans, and that in making us in his mirror image, may not be able to fully predict the human future. But not being able to foresee the trajectory of a free creature, is different from not being able to predict the more predictable natural world, and is hardly a case for God being imperfect, weak, or incapable. Line up all of God's successes against his failures, does the latter have anything on the former?



No I'm aware of that atheist narrative, but maybe our creator instilled that unnatural longing - alongside of other unnatural abilities - into us. We transcend animals in so many ways, that yearning being one of them, maybe there's something to it. Our animal emotions is only a reaction to a conscious awareness that causes us to question things like this, not the other way around.

And just as an aside, whether man made up God or not, is independent of whether a God exists. The latter being something that ought to be debated on its merits, and not disqualified by what humans want, or in the case of many secular people today, don't want.

I'm not a believer. However, i don't think logic necessarily leads one to not believe. I don't think a god can be logically proved or disproved. I will say that logic does cause me to reject a lot of the ridiculous religious dogma out there.

I don't agree with the idea that autistic people have superior minds either. Just different.

But it helps...



Everyone makes mistakes from time to time...
But if there are consistent errors proliferating, credibility suffers...
Same applies to philosophical systems...


Some have...
Some don't...
As in all groups...

But to suggest that all HFA are superior because some are, is a logical nonsense based on simple observation...
Look at that guy over there...

Pepe, I have been very much hurt by people in the Christian ministry. That was damaging to my faith, but I managed to hold on knowing that people will be people. It may be they love their bit of power. Being easily hurt doesn't help, although now I'm inclined to let such people know exactly what I think of them. I don't care what position they hold, my respect has to be earnt.

What starts out with good intentions is often infiltrated & replaced with Double-Speak (i.e.: Euphemisms).

Here is something that I pulled from a You-Tube comment that exposes Double-Speak Christianity...

Don't mind the silliness of the subject (i.e.: Flat-Earth). The point is in regards to Double-Speak.
Luciferian-Christianity, Satanic-Christianity, versus Spiritual/True-Christianity, etc.

Its not a case of proving or disproving something more one of looking at tendencies inherent in something whether it be a living entitiy or an inorganic system.

Thus when you look at man who is an evolutionary WIP on the consciousness spectrum, you will note that the vast majority still function on the subjective end of the spectrum and for whom reality is still primeval, driven by primordial need for resources and security. There is a constant battle underway epitomised in the wars and the skewed often illogical social relations.

You see this in the inorganic as well. Capitalism has certain tendencies. Globalisation is one, the other is the paradoxical destruction of that globe in the process.

A sharp objectivity can detect these tendencies which includes the godly one.

"True dat"...

Are you serious?