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30 Oct 2015, 5:39 pm

Are albinos and white Hispanics subcategories of "white people" or not?



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30 Oct 2015, 10:28 pm

Albinos are within all races, so it depends which ethnicity they've been born among. And being Hispanic is often a matter of language and culture, rather than ethnicity, encompassing everyone from Spanish/Native American people (who are generally thought of as Hispanic), blacks in Latin American countries, and Asians most often (but not exclusively) found in the Philippines. To be sure, one can find white skinned, Nordic looking people among them, such as the old Mexican upper class who claimed to be unmixed with the local native population in the New World, or with the Moors and Celt-Iberians back in Spain. So, yes, white Hispanics are white.


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30 Oct 2015, 11:53 pm

Caucasian means someone who's lineage hails from the caucasus region.

The caucasus region is east of the danube, and is thus in asia.

Therefore, white people are asians.



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31 Oct 2015, 4:18 am

LonelyJar wrote:
Are albinos and white Hispanics subcategories of "white people" or not?

Depends on who is counting.

"White Hispanic" may disappear mostly from America with the new changes to the census

A proposed change is to let Hispanics identify first as "Hispanic", and then with their country of origin. So, for example, instead of "Hispanic-white" a "race" category will be "Hispanic-Mexican".

This will mean "whites" on paper could be a minority in just a few years.



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31 Oct 2015, 5:13 am

LonelyJar wrote:
Are albinos and white Hispanics subcategories of "white people" or not?


Problem is more that race, or population group to use the more pc-term, is more then just the colour of someone's skin. Take for example this picture :

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One can still see other physical elements common among those of relative recent South-Saharan decent. And I have little doubt that DNA-testing would also place them closer to that group then the group of European decent.

White Hispanics are a different matter. Since they are (in part) descendants of Spanish who settled in the region.



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31 Oct 2015, 6:15 am

"Hispanic" is a box on U.S. government forms for immigrants from Latin America, and their children, and grandchildren, to check off.

The category and concept of "Hispanic" doesnt even exist in any other country but the U.S.A.

Its a cultural/ethnic/language grab bag made up to include people from the parts of the New World colonized by the nations of the Iberian Peninsula in Europe (Spain and Portugal). That being the New world south of the Rio Grande and the US Gulf Coast-southward to the tip of South America. Above that line is "Anglo America" (the parts English speaking countries ended up ruling). The Islands of the Caribean - thats a complex subject for a whole nother long post like this).

It means (more or less) the same thing as "Latino", or "Latin American". I would call them "Ibero American".

However there is quibbling: the Phillipines (also colonized by Spain for centuries) are sometimes lumped with Hispanic, and folks from the two mother countries in Europe (Spain and Portugal themselves) are also sometimes lumped in to "Hispanic", and sometimes not. Half of the continent of south america is one country:Brazil which is Portugese speaking. The rest of South America, and all of Central America and Mexico, are in the Spanish speaking world (except there are flyspecks of English speaking in places like Belize and Guyana).

The bottom line: "Hispanic" is not "a race" its a cultural grab bag. Its includes "Whites" ( both pure blood descendants of the original conquistadors from Spain and Portugal, and the millions of European immigrants who flooded into Latin America in the centuries after the Spanish conquests from all over Europe), it includes full blooded red Indians who already lived in the Americas, it includes Blacks from Africa, and it includes any mix of the above. Most folks from Mexico and Peru (for example) are Mestizo (mixed Indian and White). Most folks from the Dominican Republic are Mulatto (mixed White and Black), Argentinians tend to be "Italians who speak Spanish and think that they are British", and folks from Haiti and from northeast Brazil tend to be of pure African descent.

To answer your question:

"White Hispanics" are a "subset" of "Whites" in the same way that White Americas (or White Anglos) are a subset of Whites. They are cultural subdivision of whites,not a racial subdivision. Racially -they are just "Whites" from whatever European extraction they are (just like canadian or America Anglo "Whites").



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31 Oct 2015, 7:08 am

naturalplastic wrote:
" Most folks from Mexico and Peru (for example) are Mestizo (mixed Indian and White). Most folks from the Dominican Republic are Mulatto (mixed White and Black), Argentinians tend to be "Italians who speak Spanish and think that they are British", and folks from Haiti and from northeast Brazil tend to be of pure African descent.


The concepts of "mestizo", "mulatto" still don't indicate what the person actually looks like though.

So you're back to "white mestizo" , "white mulatto".



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01 Nov 2015, 5:58 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
" Most folks from Mexico and Peru (for example) are Mestizo (mixed Indian and White). Most folks from the Dominican Republic are Mulatto (mixed White and Black), Argentinians tend to be "Italians who speak Spanish and think that they are British", and folks from Haiti and from northeast Brazil tend to be of pure African descent.


The concepts of "mestizo", "mulatto" still don't indicate what the person actually looks like though.

So you're back to "white mestizo" , "white mulatto".


No idea what your point is.

I am going by what most people in most social situations do most of the time: which is to go by how the person looks, guess backward to their ancestry, and then pigeonhole them by "race" in a heartbeat.



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01 Nov 2015, 6:50 pm

I really hate all this racial terminology.
Pondering the difference between whites and Caucasians is like pondering the difference between the thousands of genders Tumblr believes in.


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01 Nov 2015, 9:11 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
I really hate all this racial terminology.
Pondering the difference between whites and Caucasians is like pondering the difference between the thousands of genders Tumblr believes in.


lololololololol YES :D


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