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09 Nov 2015, 1:51 pm

I think people should be allowed to freely criticize and make fun of anyone and anything. Also, we should be allowed to freely express our opinions, no matter how extreme they are. I am an ableist and I said on Facebook that people with Down's syndrome should be euthanized. For that, people got angry at me and told me that God would punish me. However, I'm not afraid of God, and I would gladly challenge him to a fight if he existed. 8)


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09 Nov 2015, 2:02 pm

As far as I know it is pretty much legal to do that...however there are plenty of contexts where its inappropriate, and you could get thrown out of the property/meeting or whatever place your in that might have its own rules against certain behavior. Also if you picked a person to target your hate speech and wont leave them alone then that turns into harassment and of course if you lay a hand on them it could be assault.

Ha ha, it wouldn't be god you should be afraid of...if you want to go around talking like a neo-nazi.


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09 Nov 2015, 2:12 pm

Of course it's legal, but people don't tolerate it. That's the problem.
I didn't target anyone for my hate speech and I didn't harass anyone with it. I simply stated my opinion and it was enough to enrage people.
It's OK to be a Communist, Neo-Nazi or whatever, so long as you don't bother anyone.


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09 Nov 2015, 2:24 pm

Cockroach96 wrote:
Of course it's legal, but people don't tolerate it. That's the problem.
I didn't target anyone for my hate speech and I didn't harass anyone with it. I simply stated my opinion and it was enough to enrage people.
It's OK to be a Communist, Neo-Nazi or whatever, so long as you don't bother anyone.


So you think you should have protection against the consequences of your words...such as people becoming enraged about you stating support for rounding up and killing anyone with Downs Syndrome? What exactly do you expect?...Or are you just mad you live in a place where such things as genocide are frowned upon?


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09 Nov 2015, 2:26 pm

Well there you have it - one attempt to reconcile unilaterally and you've equated communism with fascism. That's bothersome even to capitalists, provided they're open minded enough to expand their ideology. Euthanasia adds up to a pretty dry sore point in politics, that's why people were willing to oppose your point with religion. If they threatened you in your language, they did so with your interpretation of god. I mean... you just challenged an abstract entity to exist just so you could fight it, so it seems like you could stand to pick some more practical battles.


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09 Nov 2015, 2:29 pm

And I believe everyone should be able to express their disapproval of others speech and actions without being accused of stifling free speech. :)



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09 Nov 2015, 2:32 pm

That was a horrible thing to say and it's people like you who should be euthanized.

Words hurt people. They hurt even worse than physical injuries. Cuts and bruises heal, but emotional wounds never really do.

I don't understand it. I ask myself over and over, "How can people say cruel things to people for something they can't even help being?" I know children are the cruelest, calloused human beings on the earth but adults are supposed to be wise enough not to. It's obvious they aren't.



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09 Nov 2015, 2:34 pm

Freedom expression exists in a jurisdiction. Facebook is not a jurisdiction, they are are using their freedoms to publish your word by proxy. They are under no obligation to publish your word.



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09 Nov 2015, 2:42 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Cockroach96 wrote:
Of course it's legal, but people don't tolerate it. That's the problem.
I didn't target anyone for my hate speech and I didn't harass anyone with it. I simply stated my opinion and it was enough to enrage people.
It's OK to be a Communist, Neo-Nazi or whatever, so long as you don't bother anyone.


So you think you should have protection against the consequences of your words...such as people becoming enraged about you stating support for rounding up and killing anyone with Downs Syndrome? What exactly do you expect?...Or are you just mad you live in a place where such things as genocide are frowned upon?

I agree with genocide, so long as it's only done out of utility(killing people who can't or don't contribute to society).
I didn't say I want protection from the consequences of my words. Of course those people got mad, it's normal. The problem is, they attacked me instead of attacking my views. Freedom of speech shouldn't allow personal attacks. You can attack a category of people, but not attack a person.
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And I believe everyone should be able to express their disapproval of others speech and actions without being accused of stifling free speech. :)

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09 Nov 2015, 3:00 pm

I hate genocide. I hate Neo-Nazis. I hate some Communists--especially the ones who believe in a two-tiered system like the old Soviet Union did--the height of hypocrisy.

The ideology of the Nazis makes no sense. It's based on a racial myth.

All extremism is a bunch of crap.



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09 Nov 2015, 3:02 pm

Yeah, but wouldn't it be useful to kill people who can't and don't contribute society? I call this utilitarian genocide.


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09 Nov 2015, 3:08 pm

Cockroach96 wrote:
Yeah, but wouldn't it be useful to kill people who can't and don't contribute society? I call this utilitarian genocide.


Why? We don't really have a purpose as humans other than to just exist. I actually don't know what useful means to you as it's an objective term.

Oh and someone tried that already. You may have heard of him, his name is Hitler.

I'm starting to rethink my good guy comment on another thread.



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09 Nov 2015, 3:31 pm

Cockroach96 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Cockroach96 wrote:
Of course it's legal, but people don't tolerate it. That's the problem.
I didn't target anyone for my hate speech and I didn't harass anyone with it. I simply stated my opinion and it was enough to enrage people.
It's OK to be a Communist, Neo-Nazi or whatever, so long as you don't bother anyone.


So you think you should have protection against the consequences of your words...such as people becoming enraged about you stating support for rounding up and killing anyone with Downs Syndrome? What exactly do you expect?...Or are you just mad you live in a place where such things as genocide are frowned upon?

I agree with genocide, so long as it's only done out of utility(killing people who can't or don't contribute to society).
I didn't say I want protection from the consequences of my words. Of course those people got mad, it's normal. The problem is, they attacked me instead of attacking my views. Freedom of speech shouldn't allow personal attacks. You can attack a category of people, but not attack a person.
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And I believe everyone should be able to express their disapproval of others speech and actions without being accused of stifling free speech. :)

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So you should be allowed to advocate genocide and everyone should then have to be nice and civil to you as a person and only disagree with your opinion rather than express disgust at you personally for encouraging hateful and disgusting behavior?

Sorry but advocating for people you don't like or find 'useless' to be killed is a personal attack on any of those people...if someone expressed they wanted you to die because you have aspergers(assuming you do) you wouldn't feel attacked? You can't advocate people be killed and then complain because people verbally attack you for that and expect anyone to take you seriously.

No sympathy for your plight here.


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09 Nov 2015, 3:35 pm

Cockroach96 wrote:
Yeah, but wouldn't it be useful to kill people who can't and don't contribute society? I call this utilitarian genocide.


And what do you consider 'contributing to society'? Do you contribute to society?

Either way I think societies that are willing to just discard/kill anyone at a disadvantage or who has some sort of disability...are disgusting societies that can only hope to collapse in on themselves. Eventually they'll keep raising the bar as to what makes someone worthy to live out their life till they've rounded up and killed or imprisoned the vast majority of their populace.


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09 Nov 2015, 3:36 pm

*yawn* Obvious troll is obvious.


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09 Nov 2015, 3:40 pm

SilverProteus wrote:
*yawn* Obvious troll is obvious.


IDK, based on some of the other posts...I think they are either serious or just trying to put on a despicable looking front because they hate them-self and want negative attention. But maybe they're a troll after all who knows.


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