Telling others I like shariah?

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I'm 16, and my religious views have evolved over time.... back in the 8th grade, i didnt take religion seriously, and throughout middle school i was even an atheist, at times..... but ever since i started getting locked up (once, in a mental hospital in the summer before 9th grade, for a week, once in the RYDC, for a night, once, in a long term mental hospital for 3 weeks, and once, in another mental hospital for 8 days,) I have increasingly turned towards religion to solve my problems... the first wave was in 9th grade.... then in the 10th grade, when I began relying on religion to provide my life with structure and meaning, rather than just as a tool to pray to God when in need.... now, I don't listen to music, i still don't eat pork, i dont watch filthy types of media, i pray 5 times a day, etc. and I even believe in shariah law, but this greatly annoys my mother.... she has even forbade me from talking about religion with her, not because I shove it down her throat, but when I share with her my research, since I am fascinated by religion, and because of the wording of my questions i ask her (i.e., is a caliphate a requirement, mom?) she has forbade me. My dad even thinks I'm too literalist, even though he's one of the most religious people I know..... furthermore, i believe in shariah, but shariah has turned into such a spooky word, im afraid to even share my beliefs with liberal Muslims..... what should I do?

Shariah law is a form of imperialism. Ideally I think piety to God should be a personal choice, and not legally enforced.

You have mental breakdowns that cause you to end up in mental hospitals.

you're drawn to Fundamentalist religion as part of the solution to the above because you crave the order and discipline.

But that solution causes strife in the family ( kinda like coming out as being gay, or joining a cult).

So the solution is problematic.

I'll be honest. I agree with your parents. Stay away from extreme literalist Fundamentalist Islam.


What you should you do?

Maybe talk the Pastor of your family's church (obviously I mean whatever the Muslim equivalent is), AND also get some secular counseling from mental healthcare worker. Really think this over. Get both psychological and spritual counseling. If I were you I might try Orthodox Judaism on for size. It has the strict rules that you crave, similiar customs to Islam (like dietary rules), but is not as armed and dangerous as Wahabism. But thats just me.


Some advice though: be aware of who your audience is here on WP. WP is populated by westerners, and more than half are American. So (1) even when we are friendly there is a limit to how much we can help because Islam is a foreign religious culture to most of us (like above I had to pretend that you were a Protestant American teen -and that it is fundamentalist Christianity that you are drawn to- to try form an imperfect analogy to my own culture for my own thought process- in order to speak to you about this). and

More important...

(2) DUDE...if your religious notions freak out your fellow Muslim Turks just think what those notions do to US Americans on WP! Dont ask the post 9-11 Americans on WP to calmly hold your hand while you talk about things like "Shariah" and "Wahabism". Thats asking too much of us because those words REALLY freak us out!

There must be some websites out there for Muslim teens in Western countries that you can go to about this kinda stuff. I really dont think WP is good place for this.

Dont get me wrong. I am not trying to beat up on you. On the contrary I am trying prevent you from getting verbally abused here.

Orthodox Judaism has several different groups:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_re ... _movements

There's nothing wrong with Shariah Law per se.

What's wrong is how Shariah Law is used within the present-day context of the world.

It should never be a national law; otherwise, religion and government are not separated.

what's wrong with combining religion and politics? although, I think you're right, since politics is all about lying, and religion is supposed to be about guidance.... that's how one person I know put it... plus, Islamists are animals.

There LOTS wrong with combining religion and politics. It breeds discrimination against other religions, for one.

Do read your history, sir. You'll understand why.

Shariah Law doesn't work in a modern context. It might have worked in the 7th century or so.

To paraphrase Steven Weinberg...

With or without religion,
you would have good politicians doing good things,
and evil politicians doing evil things;
but for good politicians to do evil things,
that takes religion!

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It appears contradictory to be a proponent of Shariah and at the same time regard Islamists as animals considering that Shariah is the government enforcing Islamic law. It is then forced upon the population. That is Islamism.

That being said I have nothing against practicing muslims as long as the practice of their religion does not negatively affect other people against their will.

There are many admirable aspects of Islam. Ramadan being what I perhaps have the greatest respect for.

I'm referring to the typical, present-day Islamist... I have nothing against shariah, but I believe many Islamists, such as Hamas, are animals..... That being said, I believe Islamists can be good as well.

How can you operate a system where you have national law and religious law that contradict each other.

My problem with Sharia is actually do with legal principle. Basic tenent of justice are lacking such as burden of proof, reasonable doubt, jury trial fair trial, access to legal council at all stages, protection against self-incrimination or coercion to name a few .

Sharia is very crude in comparison so is not a good example of due process. Due process is the most important thing in a justice system. Sharia is still subjective and also will never be applied consistently like actual democratic statues demand. Also the sentences are completely unethical, not to mention some of the crimes.

Sharia also has very little capacity to self improve, becuase it is mandated by doctrine. There are problematic aspect of justices system, but secular ones can change.

wait, so sharia lacks all those legal, ethical principles? that's news to me.....

MonsterCrack-

You're very young, and you admit your beliefs have changed drastically in a short few years. Just because you want to embrace Shariah now, with it's embrace of fundamentalism, may not be the case when you're older and learn more about yourself and the world.

as a woman, i can't say there is a place in my world for sharia, which views women as lesser beings whose word doesn't hold much weight.

It is not a simply a question of partial aspects, the mandate of sharia doesn't have the structural mechanisms to deliver those legal principles.

It is just too basic of a Justice system. It is accurate to call it a medieval justice system, becuase it is comparable to other medieval justice systems.