lee atwater admission about rightwing politics & codewords

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was Lee Atwater telling it like it is, or just joshing?
Lee was just joshing :oops: 11%  11%  [ 1 ]
Lee was truthful :x 67%  67%  [ 6 ]
I dunno. :shrug: 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I just want a totally non-political ice cream :chef: 22%  22%  [ 2 ]
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23 May 2016, 7:09 pm


a transcription below-

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N-r, n-r, n-r.” By 1968 you can’t say “n-r”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract.
Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N-r, n-r.”


one thread that can be extracted from his admission is that the GOP sees poor whites and poor blacks as basically two sides of the same coin - as disposable tools.



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23 May 2016, 7:16 pm

And what did LBJ say about passing the civil rights acts? "I'd have those n****** voting Democratic for the next 200 years"

The elites of both parties wish to rule over peoples they absolutely disdain



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23 May 2016, 7:30 pm

This means noone can talk about cutting taxes or states rights without being accused of something.


States Rights is what brought us the legalization of marijuana in several states , so no, its not a racist codeword!
Cutting of taxes just benefits everyone.



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23 May 2016, 7:33 pm

Jacoby wrote:
...both parties wish to rule over peoples they absolutely disdain

Yep.


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23 May 2016, 9:18 pm

States' Rights (yes, this is a FACT) was used to justify segregation in the South, and to prevent the integration of colleges in the South. And to deny them the vote in the South.

Obviously, there was much racism in the North as well. There was segregation, etc.

But "States' Rights" wasn't used as a justification for the racism in the North.



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23 May 2016, 9:26 pm

States' rights was also justification for the nullification of federal fugitive slave laws as was the case in Wisconsin before the Civil War.



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24 May 2016, 12:20 am

In this case, it was used for laudable reasons.



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24 May 2016, 12:47 am

it seems to me that "states' rights" is one of those elastic things that people use for various reasons, but at the same time are always ready to deny to other conflicting groups - states' rights to mandate GMO labeling [like in Vermont] but denying other states the same right within their borders, for example.



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24 May 2016, 7:19 am

Jacoby wrote:
And what did LBJ say about passing the civil rights acts? "I'd have those n****** voting Democratic for the next 200 years"

The elites of both parties wish to rule over peoples they absolutely disdain


Nixon did not start Affirmative Action out of the good of his heart,the man dispised domestic issues, it was all about getting reelected by a landslide in '72.


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24 May 2016, 7:31 am

auntblabby wrote:
it seems to me that "states' rights" is one of those elastic things that people use for various reasons, but at the same time are always ready to deny to other conflicting groups - states' rights to mandate GMO labeling [like in Vermont] but denying other states the same right within their borders, for example.

Utah is a leader of "states' rights[.]" Because about 70 percent of our land was co-opted by the federal government in the 1800s prior to statehood, the land was never returned to state management for things like permanent development, leased ranching and grazing rights, water, thermal energy and, of course, oil (not that we have much). Most western states are in the same boat. Our states are slaves to the ravenous federal plantation. This status quo has changed significantly since the 1970s when states such as Utah stood up to the plantation owners and sued, preempted and nullified to regain what was ours in the first place under contemporaneous federal law. We are still fighting for our state's rights.

Now, other states, both northern and southern, have used states' rights to benefit themselves. But, let us not denigrate the concept of states' rights. As has been describe within this topic, states' rights actually assisted freed and excaped slaves before and during the Civil War, so it has done good. As with any constitutionally delegated authority, such authority can be used for good or bad.


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24 May 2016, 8:52 am

Where's my ice cream?



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24 May 2016, 7:35 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Where's my ice cream?

here is some- Image



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24 May 2016, 7:57 pm

I want chocolate!



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24 May 2016, 8:09 pm

^^^here ya go-
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24 May 2016, 8:11 pm

what this proves is that some people at a point of time have used these terms for such a purpose. Though it does not on its own verify how common in the usage of the terms they are being used for this purpose. Terms are often used by different people to infer a variety of implications.
For instance, the statement that more African Americans need to work has a more positive connotation and intention when Martin Luther King Jr talked about it, than it would if it was said by an anti-black racist.



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24 May 2016, 9:54 pm

slenkar wrote:
States Rights is what brought us the legalization of marijuana in several states , so no, its not a racist codeword!
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Yes, "states rights" more like a codeword for allowing states to enact policies to violate and neglect the human rights and civil rights of its citizens. Whether it be Jim Crow laws of the old south or the state rejection of the pricliple of human welfare done by states like Colorado.