How to be proud of being White without being Racist.

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15 Feb 2016, 12:41 am

Ok heres how it goes most of the media instantly assumes if your white and proud its instantly racist because its misconstrued with White Supremacy, but lets get real white and or Caucasian culture is diverse as hell and to instantly consider it racist is not only ignorant but making sweeping generalizations and supports white guilt and making many white folks lose their culteral identity. There are Celts there are Francs swedes etc Russians, you have to be specific man. My blood line is Celtic and I am proud of that my bloodline never suppoerted slavery and such and I am proud to have a cool blood line that was a kick ass warrior tribal people that gave the Romans trouble, now for the germanics and such many were Vikings and sometimes they enslaved but most part was other white folks including my ancestors with the Norman invasion of Dublin but we held our ground and a complete conquest of Ireland never happened and the vikings eventually got bred out and became Irish themselves. There were some bad things but many god things and despite some of the bad things people change over time and times change, just dont feel superior over others and respect others just identify who you are before all is lost.


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15 Feb 2016, 1:09 am

You know, I disagree with just about every post from you I've ever read... but not this one. I pretty much agree, here. If you're going to be proud of your heritage, tie it to an actual cultural entity and not the color of your skin.

Also, don't talk down about other groups. That should be obvious.


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15 Feb 2016, 1:22 am

Actually the Celts had plenty of slaves in their day, up into the Middle Ages even. Then again so did everyone else, I guess it's well known that there's good and bad in every society, so might as well focus on the positives and remember that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#Celtic_tribes



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15 Feb 2016, 1:43 am

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Actually the Celts had plenty of slaves in their day, up into the Middle Ages even. Then again so did everyone else, I guess it's well known that there's good and bad in every society, so might as well focus on the positives and remember that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#Celtic_tribes
Those were other Celts though. Celts fought with eachother for years.


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15 Feb 2016, 3:51 am

Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?



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15 Feb 2016, 5:59 am

I think '[identity x] pride' is a necessary and good thing when it is a response to a history of being treated as a lesser, of being told that identity is worthless, or sinful, or banned from regular social practises and positions of power.

The occasional lip-service paid to 'gee white people have done terrible things to non-white people' isn't anything like the same.

I don't 'get' needing to be proud of an identity where there is no such history. I don't think you need to feel shame for being white, or a given ethnicity or being from a particular country, but nor do I think pride is necessary.

Do things yourself that you can be proud of. Be someone to be proud of in your actions and character, not your bloodline. If taking pride and shelter in that bloodline acts as training wheels for that, helps you find some resilience on the tough days, that's fine. But don't stop there.


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15 Feb 2016, 6:01 am

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Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?


Oh, I don't know. I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling pride about your roots, as long as it's not manifested as bigotry. For instance, I feel a great amount of pride in regard to my German background, especially in the ancient period when they were savage barbarians who were able to beat the Roman legions. But in no way do I look on other nationalities or ethnic groups as inferior or evil. Sure, I never hurled myself, naked and headlong into the armored ranks of the Roman army, swinging a broad sword and calling on Wodan, but just the same, that image certainly captures the imagination.


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15 Feb 2016, 1:02 pm

I think taking pride in diversity was a measure taken against our racism in the past. Cultures, while sometimes worthy of praise (and shame), aren't color coded. There is no white or black culture. Pride is a setup for failure too, even if you do something praiseworthy yourself, people who rest on their laurels are the ones who stop achieving.


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15 Feb 2016, 3:07 pm

GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?

Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc

Or is it only white people who can't have pride?



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15 Feb 2016, 3:20 pm

Don't think being white makes you superior to people who aren't white, since racism is believing that your race is superior.

But honestly I think its kind of silly to be proud of skin color anyways, regardless of race...I mean I could see having some pride in cultural achievements or something of your specific heritage.


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15 Feb 2016, 3:26 pm

sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?

Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc

Or is it only white people who can't have pride?


Where was such a thing about excluding non-whites from having pride in their backgrounds ever said in this thread?


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15 Feb 2016, 3:29 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?

Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc

Or is it only white people who can't have pride?


Where was such a thing about excluding non-whites from having pride in their backgrounds ever said in this thread?


It wasn't, I think someone was reading into things a little too deeply.


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15 Feb 2016, 4:23 pm

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Ok heres how it goes most of the media instantly assumes if your white and proud its instantly racist because its misconstrued with White Supremacy, but lets get real white and or Caucasian culture is diverse as hell and to instantly consider it racist is not only ignorant but making sweeping generalizations and supports white guilt and making many white folks lose their culteral identity. There are Celts there are Francs swedes etc Russians, you have to be specific man. My blood line is Celtic and I am proud of that my bloodline never suppoerted slavery and such and I am proud to have a cool blood line that was a kick ass warrior tribal people that gave the Romans trouble, now for the germanics and such many were Vikings and sometimes they enslaved but most part was other white folks including my ancestors with the Norman invasion of Dublin but we held our ground and a complete conquest of Ireland never happened and the vikings eventually got bred out and became Irish themselves. There were some bad things but many god things and despite some of the bad things people change over time and times change, just dont feel superior over others and respect others just identify who you are before all is lost.


The whole point of buzzwords like racist and white supremacist is to attack white identity, in other words to attack white people. You are trying to answer a dishonest racial attack with 'logic' and coming up with something rather confused. Instead of trying to prove you are not this or that buzzword, the thing to do is to tell your attacker something along the lines of "I don't care what you say I am, because I say you're a piece of s***".



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15 Feb 2016, 4:45 pm

sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?

Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc

Or is it only white people who can't have pride?


The history and concept of 'pride' can be complicated, but at base it's a stand against being told you should be ashamed of what you are, that you are lesser, that you should know your place.

There is simply no equivalent history of a campaign against white people qua white people as there is black people or gay people. Lip service paid to historical atrocities (and, to a lesser extent, ongoing issues) aside, the social assumption is that of course you're proud of being white.

For that reason, I see no need to be proud of being white, though one need not feel ashamed of it either. Better to do things and be of a character that inspires pride, rather than seek it in an ethnicity.


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15 Feb 2016, 4:49 pm

I'm only proud if I accomplish something.

I dont feel proud to be white. It's just an arbitrary distinction brought about by light skin color and European origins.

Now.... If I were green......:mrgreen: :mrgreen:



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15 Feb 2016, 4:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?

Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc

Or is it only white people who can't have pride?


Where was such a thing about excluding non-whites from having pride in their backgrounds ever said in this thread?


Kraichgauer, it seems to me you are either not understanding what is being said here or you're not expressing yourself clearly, or you've made a typo - or some combination of all three. But fair enough - this is an A.S. forum after all.

The idea that people (white or non-white) should not have pride in their backgrounds is quite plainly implict in GGPViper's post. sly279 is asking GGPViper if he really thinks that or if it is just pride for white people he is against.

Do you understand? sly279 is not accusing GGPViper of being against non-white identity, he is wondering if GGPViper is really just against white identity. Since GGPViper has chosen to make his post in a thread about white identity, it is a fair question.

And if you did understand all along, I think you could try rephrasing your post so that it makes some kind of sense.