Page 1 of 1 [ 13 posts ] 

Deltaville
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Dec 2015
Gender: Male
Posts: 941
Location: SystemShock Universe

02 Feb 2016, 11:30 pm

Do you trust the claims of this article?

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german- ... ter-death/


_________________
Sebastian

"Don't forget to floss." - Darkwing Duck


Yigeren
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Dec 2015
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,606
Location: United States

02 Feb 2016, 11:33 pm

I've done a lot of research into near-death experiences. There are definitely some things that cannot yet be explained by science. There are some famous cases that have no good scientific explanations.

Most near-death experiences do seem to occur during cardiac arrest.



Fugu
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Dec 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,074
Location: Dallas

Deltaville
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Dec 2015
Gender: Male
Posts: 941
Location: SystemShock Universe

02 Feb 2016, 11:39 pm

Fugu wrote:
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/disclaimer/

It's satire


I know, just some people on a religious forum took it seriously and claimed that it bed rocked their belief in God.


_________________
Sebastian

"Don't forget to floss." - Darkwing Duck


Fugu
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Dec 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,074
Location: Dallas

02 Feb 2016, 11:44 pm

Deltaville wrote:
I know, just some people on a religious forum took it seriously and claimed that it bed rocked their belief in God.
deeply religious types are generally also credulous to a degree



Deltaville
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Dec 2015
Gender: Male
Posts: 941
Location: SystemShock Universe

02 Feb 2016, 11:46 pm

Fugu wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
I know, just some people on a religious forum took it seriously and claimed that it bed rocked their belief in God.
deeply religious types are generally also credulous to a degree


I first for a second thought that it was real, but then I realize that any announcement of such an outlandish claim would have at least some form of peer reviewed reference. Then I went to the the headlines...


_________________
Sebastian

"Don't forget to floss." - Darkwing Duck


Yigeren
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Dec 2015
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,606
Location: United States

03 Feb 2016, 3:30 am

Read some real articles on near-death experiences. There are some interesting cases. I'm reserving judgement, though. I believe in science.



naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

03 Feb 2016, 12:09 pm

Are you claiming that a publication with headlines like "sixteen girls impregnated when teen ejaculates into swimming pool" is less than trustworthy???????

I am shocked!



traven
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Sep 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 15,381

03 Feb 2016, 12:34 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Are you claiming that a publication with headlines like "sixteen girls impregnated when teen ejaculates into swimming pool" is less than trustworthy???????

I am shocked!

still laughing about the breaking news
Morgue worker arrested after giving birth to a dead man's baby, :roll:



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,939
Location:      

03 Feb 2016, 1:07 pm

Deltaville wrote:
Do you trust the claims of this article? http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german- ... ter-death/
No. Here's why ...
Quote:
The team of scientists led by Dr Berthold Ackermann, has monitored the operations and have compiled the testimonies of the subjects. Although there are some slight variations from one individual to another, all of the subjects have some memories of their period of clinical death. and a vast majority of them described some very similar sensations.
That part should read, "... all of the subjects reported similar experiences that they claimed had occurred during their period of clinical death." There is no way to verify the times of their alleged experiences - there is no time index associated with their alleged experiences. Those memories could have been formed at any time during the procedure, and their similarities could be the result of similarities between human brains.

Of course, this being a satirical article simply does away with any credibility it may have had. Equally unsurprising are the religionists' reactions to this story - their acceptance of it as fact when the disclaimer states otherwise.

Amusing, though.



AR15000
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

Joined: 19 Jan 2016
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 429
Location: Right behind you

03 Feb 2016, 1:20 pm

Fnord wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Do you trust the claims of this article? http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german- ... ter-death/
No. Here's why ...
Quote:
The team of scientists led by Dr Berthold Ackermann, has monitored the operations and have compiled the testimonies of the subjects. Although there are some slight variations from one individual to another, all of the subjects have some memories of their period of clinical death. and a vast majority of them described some very similar sensations.
That part should read, "... all of the subjects reported similar experiences that they claimed had occurred during their period of clinical death." There is no way to verify the times of their alleged experiences - there is no time index associated with their alleged experiences. Those memories could have been formed at any time during the procedure, and their similarities could be the result of similarities between human brains.

Of course, this being a satirical article simply does away with any credibility it may have had. Equally unsurprising are the religionists' reactions to this story - their acceptance of it as fact when the disclaimer states otherwise.

Amusing, though.




Biological death is irreversible.Which means it is physically impossible for a biologically dead person to be resurrected and describe what it's like. Nor do we have the technology yet to actually read someone's mind.....But that is likely to change. See the 1983 movie Brainstorm. And this is why I am a skeptic about free will: The scientific evidence shows that brains do indeed make minds and brains are physical entities. When physical constraints are applied to the brain in the form of pyschoactive drugs(which are almost always amines with the notable exceptions of ethanol and thujone), it causes behavior changes that are often highly predictable. And certain drugs, like PCP, often cause intoxicated subjects to suffer a total loss of impulse control and render them unable to distinguish fantasy from reality! The pharmacology of PCP has been extensively studied and you'd be shocked at what this drug has made people do.



Deltaville
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Dec 2015
Gender: Male
Posts: 941
Location: SystemShock Universe

03 Feb 2016, 6:25 pm

I confess, a part of me wishes that this article was genuine.


_________________
Sebastian

"Don't forget to floss." - Darkwing Duck


Campin_Cat
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2014
Age: 63
Gender: Female
Posts: 25,953
Location: Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A.

07 Feb 2016, 5:15 pm

Here's over a hundred *real* ones you can read: nderf dot org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/NDERF_NDEs dot htm

(I'm one of the ones that isn't able to post URLs, so copy and paste; then, put www at the beginning, then a period; where it says dot, make an actual period; then, take out all the spaces.)










_________________
White female; age 59; diagnosed Aspie.
I use caps for emphasis----I'm NOT angry or shouting. I use caps like others use italics, underline, or bold.
"What we know is a drop; what we don't know, is an ocean." (Sir Isaac Newton)