Hillary, Steinem, and Albright

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I'm sure everybody has heard the comments that both "feminist icon" Gloria Steinem and former Secretary of State Madeline "We Think The Price Is Worth It" Albright over the weekend before the New Hampshire primary chiding women for now supporting Hilary. Steinem said something along the lines of that young women only like Bernie Sanders because they want boys to like them which to me if said by anyone else would sound like one of the most sexist things somebody could say, Albright followed it up by saying that "there is a special place in hell for women that don't support other women" so apparently they're trying to shame female voters into supporting Hilary. Something like 55% of women in New Hampshire are going to hell, like 90% under 30 apparently.

So how do you feel about Hilary and her feminist support? Is it antifeminist to support Bernie Sanders with the potential 'historic' presidency of Hilary Clinton?

I think it's a mix of loose terms (as in just quite what it means to be a 'feminist', a common bugbear around here) and desperation.

I don't know enough about Hilary's (or anyone else in the PUSA race) past policy ideas and support. But we recently had something similar but smaller scale in the UK, with the election of a Labour party leader. There were four candidates. Three of them - one man, two women - were of the professional politician mould. 'On message', focus-grouped, corporate suits trying to ape the right while still holding on to the left base. The fourth - who barely made the nomination but romped home to win - was of the Sanders mould. Old leftist, decades as an MP, stuck by his principles, often to be found giving speeches and shows of support to non-parliamentary campaigns.

There was a move to push the idea that a 'feminist' vote should elect one of the women, in particular Yvette Cooper (who was polling much higher than the other female runner). Cooper has a history of policies and parliamentary votes in Social Security matters which have made life much harder for single mothers - that is, women - but still the idea was pushed by some that her being elected as Labour leader - and possibly then Prime Minister - would be a great feminist victory.

This is feminism in the neo-liberal paradigm (and as such, I think, is barely worthy of the name). It is not concerned with over-concentration and abuse of power, of increased hardship for the many (including millions of women), of corporate and finance interests overriding those of the public, etc. It only seeks to get female hands on some of those levers of power, then business as usual.

And sad as it is, there is a victory in that, within the paradigm.

Brilliant polemic by Camille Paglia today:

"Despite emergency efforts by Gloria Steinem, the crafty dowager empress of feminism, to push a faltering Hillary over the finish line, Sanders overwhelmingly won women’s votes in every category except senior citizens. Last week, when she told TV host Bill Maher that young women supporting the Sanders campaign are just in it to meet boys, Steinem managed not only to insult the intelligence and idealism of the young but to vaporize every lesbian Sanders fan into a spectral non-person.

"Steinem’s polished humanitarian mask had slipped, revealing the mummified fascist within. I’m sure that my delight was shared by other dissident feminists everywhere. Never before has the general public, here or abroad, more clearly seen the arrogance and amoral manipulativeness of the power elite who hijacked and stunted second-wave feminism."

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/11/sexism_ ... e_sanders/

Hillary - Snake. Gloria - Idiot. Madeline - Swine.

I would NEVER, in a million-and-one years, support a woman JUST BECAUSE she was a woman!! Don't make me get on my soapbox about the women who abuse men----mentally, verbally, physically..... Does she really think THAT should be supported?????? Just dig a hole and stick me in it, now!!

I think they're playing this card way too shyly if they're going to play it.

If Hillary ends up being sentenced by the DOJ or if enough concern comes about on that end the DNC should send a few representatives out to Northwestern University and tell Bernardine Dohrn that she's going to be her active replacement. They could go so much farther left with this than neo-lib Mah Corleone, especially when you have a guy like Bernie Sanders shellacking her right now in the primaries.

https://www.facebook.com/MorningJoe/videos/10153897416088762/?pnref=story

If you can watch this video, then you should, it basically sums up my thoughts on the issue. All of these women are full of it.

I think they're full of it myself. I would like to see a woman elected POTUS, but in my opinion, Hillary is not the right woman at this time, and I'm certainly not voting for a woman just because I have the same genitalia. I still consider myself a feminist, but that doesn't mean I'm voting for a woman because of her gender.

Albright and steinam were pathetic and embarrassing and
I come from a long line of feminists who have been fighting for women's rights and the rights of the oppressed.
This is what I texted my daughter after hearing those women speak...
F*** Albright and Steinam. Feminism means making up your OWN mind.
I'll never forget Hillary disrespecting stay at home moms baking cookies.
I may have an out of the house job now but I CHOSE to be a stay at home mom for many years. My husband and I worked it out between us what we thought would be best for our family.
Tell a woman to study, to learn, to decide but NEVER tell her how to vote! We don't need a new yoke from those women.
I'll be baking cookies for Bernie.
Don't cry Hillary.