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GnosticBishop
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18 Feb 2016, 5:23 pm

I am not asking you, I am f*****g telling you! Fantasy based religions should be banned.

I do not swear much, but with so many believers of fantasy around, ---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN6ngThqMEs

Some here will defend fantasy based religions; --- even as they see that stupid people who infest what could be decent creeds are the causes of much evil. I say stupid because that is what the root cause of fantasy belief is.

Islam is as Christianity was before it matured. Islam will mature in 2050. Est. The tipping point of belief.

Does the West really want to suffer fantasy based religions for that long?

Just so you will know. I owe one of those religions quite a bit for past help; but religions based on fantasy are proving to be an evil that we, --- in terms of evolving ideologies, --- can surly do without.

The Eastern religions, notably some forms of Buddhism are superior.

I would ask all those who follow fantasy based religions, to look back at the blood soaked history of your particular creed, one of many, and ask yourself why, in these modern days, you support a fantasy based religion.

I am not a nice guy but I know evil when I see it and fantasy based religions are evil.

Do you agree or are you believer in fantasies?

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18 Feb 2016, 5:44 pm

It frustrates me also.

Shouting and swearing at believers doesn't not sway them to your cause.

I find a frontal lobotomy works best.



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18 Feb 2016, 6:12 pm

Christianity and western culture are linked, but actual church participation seems to have lessened.
That leaves Jews and Muslims. Their religions appear to be both going strong.

I think religion is used as a front for differing political groups and goals. So if the "fantasy" was removed, the fighting would remain.

I agree that Buddhism is much more useful for personal and cultural growth.



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18 Feb 2016, 6:21 pm

Could you define a fantasy based religion, or list them please?

I agree in principle with what you're saying. I'm also a supporter of Buddhism, there is much wisdom to be gained from their teachings. A wise mind can take bits from all religions, and use them to make themselves a better person, while also selectively leaving out the bad and "fantasy".



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18 Feb 2016, 6:35 pm

Who is to say what is a fantasy religion or not?

They all have fantasy in them. You can't ban expression. You can challenge their ideas.



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18 Feb 2016, 6:45 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
I am not asking you, I am f*****g telling you! Fantasy based religions should be banned.
which religions are based on actual things then? Church of the flying spaghetti monster?



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18 Feb 2016, 6:53 pm

Fugu wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
I am not asking you, I am f*****g telling you! Fantasy based religions should be banned.
which religions are based on actual things then? Church of the flying spaghetti monster?


Feel the noodley appendage upon thee.



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18 Feb 2016, 7:14 pm

What do I believe? Fantasies.

I don't exactly devote my life to fantasies as much as I should and I don't practice all my fantasy-based rules like I should. But I still believe in that "fantasy".

And anyone who tried to take away my right to do so will see "No More Mr. Nice Guy" in very, very serious terms.

This from the guy going on about morality in other threads. Make up your mind.

Without God or other universal governing force there is no morality. Because there is then no right or wrong. In order to break a rule there must first be one to be broken. Without a God there are only laws written on paper, which offer little discouragement to breaking them. "Being a good person" is a meaningless concept with no reference point. What is "good"?



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18 Feb 2016, 7:15 pm

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Who is to say what is a fantasy religion or not?

They all have fantasy in them. You can't ban expression. You can challenge their ideas.


I appreciate this response from a very science/fact based person who has zero faith in any religion. I thank you.



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18 Feb 2016, 7:16 pm

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What do I believe? Fantasies.

I don't exactly devote my life to fantasies as much as I should and I don't practice all my fantasy-based rules like I should. But I still believe in that "fantasy".

And anyone who tried to take away my right to do so will see "No More Mr. Nice Guy" in very, very serious terms.

This from the guy going on about morality in other threads. Make up your mind.

Without God or other universal governing force there is no morality. Because there is then no right or wrong. In order to break a rule there must first be one to be broken. Without a God there are only laws written on paper, which offer little discouragement to breaking them. "Being a good person" is a meaningless concept with no reference point. What is "good"?


Which God?



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18 Feb 2016, 7:22 pm

QuillAlba wrote:
beakybird wrote:
What do I believe? Fantasies.

I don't exactly devote my life to fantasies as much as I should and I don't practice all my fantasy-based rules like I should. But I still believe in that "fantasy".

And anyone who tried to take away my right to do so will see "No More Mr. Nice Guy" in very, very serious terms.

This from the guy going on about morality in other threads. Make up your mind.

Without God or other universal governing force there is no morality. Because there is then no right or wrong. In order to break a rule there must first be one to be broken. Without a God there are only laws written on paper, which offer little discouragement to breaking them. "Being a good person" is a meaningless concept with no reference point. What is "good"?


Which God?


Well for me personally I recognize God as the God from the Bible, even though, again, I'm no longer a practicing Christian (or maybe never was depending on who you ask).

However my statement was intended to be more broad to include any God people believe in. Unless some absolute force created rules, then right and wrong are relative concepts that vary from person to person. There must be a God for a true right and wrong to exist.



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18 Feb 2016, 7:26 pm

beakybird wrote:
QuillAlba wrote:
beakybird wrote:
What do I believe? Fantasies.

I don't exactly devote my life to fantasies as much as I should and I don't practice all my fantasy-based rules like I should. But I still believe in that "fantasy".

And anyone who tried to take away my right to do so will see "No More Mr. Nice Guy" in very, very serious terms.

This from the guy going on about morality in other threads. Make up your mind.

Without God or other universal governing force there is no morality. Because there is then no right or wrong. In order to break a rule there must first be one to be broken. Without a God there are only laws written on paper, which offer little discouragement to breaking them. "Being a good person" is a meaningless concept with no reference point. What is "good"?


Which God?


Well for me personally I recognize God as the God from the Bible, even though, again, I'm no longer a practicing Christian (or maybe never was depending on who you ask).

However my statement was intended to be more broad to include any God people believe in. Unless some absolute force created rules, then right and wrong are relative concepts that vary from person to person. There must be a God for a true right and wrong to exist.


I like Thor best



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18 Feb 2016, 7:29 pm

I say: let people have their beliefs, even if they are "fantasies."

Especially if they are not harming themselves or somebody else in the process.

I'm an atheist/agnostic--but I'm fascinated by religions, and I believe religions provide us with a moral basis.



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18 Feb 2016, 7:29 pm

beakybird wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Who is to say what is a fantasy religion or not?

They all have fantasy in them. You can't ban expression. You can challenge their ideas.


I appreciate this response from a very science/fact based person who has zero faith in any religion. I thank you.


There are very few secularist that want to ban expression. Any time anyone talks of banning anything, alarm bell go off. I want to hear their justification.

I was going to say true secularist, but I don't want to be accused of true Scotsman fallacy.

It is usually ideologues that want to ban things, becuase they are afraid of competing with their ideas.



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18 Feb 2016, 7:30 pm

I disagree

Right and wrong exist independent of any man made deity. We are beyond the point of needing stories to illustrate morality.



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18 Feb 2016, 7:31 pm

QuillAlba wrote:
beakybird wrote:
QuillAlba wrote:
beakybird wrote:
What do I believe? Fantasies.

I don't exactly devote my life to fantasies as much as I should and I don't practice all my fantasy-based rules like I should. But I still believe in that "fantasy".

And anyone who tried to take away my right to do so will see "No More Mr. Nice Guy" in very, very serious terms.

This from the guy going on about morality in other threads. Make up your mind.

Without God or other universal governing force there is no morality. Because there is then no right or wrong. In order to break a rule there must first be one to be broken. Without a God there are only laws written on paper, which offer little discouragement to breaking them. "Being a good person" is a meaningless concept with no reference point. What is "good"?


Which God?


Well for me personally I recognize God as the God from the Bible, even though, again, I'm no longer a practicing Christian (or maybe never was depending on who you ask).

However my statement was intended to be more broad to include any God people believe in. Unless some absolute force created rules, then right and wrong are relative concepts that vary from person to person. There must be a God for a true right and wrong to exist.


I like Thor best


Ok. I can't say I know much about Norse gods. So I have no opinion to respond with. Enjoy that if it's what you like.