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14 Jun 2016, 7:44 pm

There is a belief system that makes it possible for believers and non-believers alike to experience the following:

* Flying through the air to distant lands, and even through space to distant worlds!

* Near-instant communication with people thousands of miles away!

* Virtually unlimited knowledge of an entire universe normally invisible to all the human senses!

* Protection and healing from death-dealing afflictions, and even recovery from death!

* Creating pure water from thin air, and then drinking that water in the desert!

* Extracting air from water, and then breathing that air underwater for hours at a time!

* Drawing even lightning from water, and then taming that lightning to change the world!

What might this belief system be? It's ...

:D M A T E R I A L I S M ! :D


What other belief system makes such promises and delivers on every one of them every single day?

Not a one. :lol:


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14 Jun 2016, 8:04 pm

Not a religion, by any definition

could be called magic... or a meditation though

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."
Nnnnoope

a particular system of faith and worship.
so needs a deity(ies) add

a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
sorta but then that is religion like new religion of fast food avoidance, not "Religion". It is a modern descriptive using the word 'religion' in a satirical way, not a creed.


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14 Jun 2016, 8:05 pm

Are you criticizing my religion?

MY religion is defined as "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

The universe was created in the Big Bang, which may or may not have caused by an intelligent being.

My ritual observance include astronomy, engineering, and amateur radio.

My morale code is still under development, but does include aspects of Levitican Law, Taoism, Buddhism, and Wicca.

It's a religion.


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14 Jun 2016, 8:08 pm

That's really an awesome post. I imagine people from another century would see all of that is magic. :-)

So how do you extract the water from the air, or extract the air from the water? Where's the hydrogen to make the water? To get the oxygen from the water, is that a process of separating the elements?



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14 Jun 2016, 8:12 pm

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That's really an awesome post. I imagine people from another century would see all of that is magic. :-)

So how do you extract the water from the air, or extract the air from the water? Where's the hydrogen to make the water? To get the oxygen from the water, is that a process of separating the elements?
Electrolysis, forward and reverse. A simple part of the Chemistry rituals.


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14 Jun 2016, 8:15 pm

Fnord wrote:
Are you criticizing my religion?

MY religion is defined as "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

The universe was created in the Big Bang, which may or may not have caused by an intelligent being.

My ritual observance include astronomy, engineering, and amateur radio.

My morale code is still under development, but does include aspects of Levitican Law, Taoism, Buddhism, and Wicca.

It's a religion.


What are the rituals and prescribed acts that go along with Materialism?


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14 Jun 2016, 8:16 pm

Ah a "new" religion. Well then. I might advise you should copy the notes of L Ron Hubbard and find adherents.
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14 Jun 2016, 8:25 pm

Seeing the benefits of scientific endeavor couldn't be classified as a religion, its something most idealists and materialists would agree on no matter how bitterly they might argue on other topics. Kurzweil-style Transhumanism and Myth of Infinite Progress might be better contenders for that title.


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14 Jun 2016, 9:19 pm

What... a religion is still a religion even if you call it something else that is not a religion. Your Marketing Campaign sounds pretty damn good though. I might even say on a Professional-Level of Advertising. ;o


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15 Jun 2016, 1:34 am

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Ah a "new" religion. Well then. I might advise you should copy the notes of L Ron Hubbard and find adherents.
Actually, the roots of my religion go back further than recorded history - all the way back to the first time an ape-human fell out of his tree and wondered why gravity hurt so much, and without blaming it on someone who wasn't there.


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15 Jun 2016, 10:41 am

You're confusing "materialism" with "scientism". What you described is scientism. Scientism is pretty cool, but it does have its limitations. There are some things that are outside its purview, which is likely why other religions are sticking around.



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15 Jun 2016, 4:34 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Are you criticizing my religion?

MY religion is defined as "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

The universe was created in the Big Bang, which may or may not have caused by an intelligent being.

My ritual observance include astronomy, engineering, and amateur radio.

My morale code is still under development, but does include aspects of Levitican Law, Taoism, Buddhism, and Wicca.

It's a religion.


What are the rituals and prescribed acts that go along with Materialism?


Depends on whether you're a common adherent or a priest/priestess.

Common adherents' ritual behavior is to work to earn money, and then spend that money on Cool Stuff.

Priests and priestesses are charged with the sacred duty of Figuring Out How Stuff Works, Finding Innovative Ways To Solve Problems, and Inventing Cool Stuff.

Sort of like a Cargo Cult, but with smart folks in the priesthood...


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15 Jun 2016, 6:11 pm

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BaalChatzaf wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Are you criticizing my religion?

MY religion is defined as "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

The universe was created in the Big Bang, which may or may not have caused by an intelligent being.

My ritual observance include astronomy, engineering, and amateur radio.

My morale code is still under development, but does include aspects of Levitican Law, Taoism, Buddhism, and Wicca.

It's a religion.


What are the rituals and prescribed acts that go along with Materialism?


Depends on whether you're a common adherent or a priest/priestess.

Common adherents' ritual behavior is to work to earn money, and then spend that money on Cool Stuff.

Priests and priestesses are charged with the sacred duty of Figuring Out How Stuff Works, Finding Innovative Ways To Solve Problems, and Inventing Cool Stuff.

Sort of like a Cargo Cult, but with smart folks in the priesthood...


This thread reminds me of the Foundation novels by Isaac Asimov. In the novels, there is a great, very technologically advanced galactic empire. A scientist invents a way to reliably predict the future, only to realize that the empire will soon fall and be followed by a dark age. He then starts a secret society to preserve as much of the empire's technological knowledge as possible. Sure enough, the dark age arrives, and eventually the secret society becomes a mystery religion similar to Elysium and the guy who founded it becomes a god, and the technological writings he preserved become holy scriptures.



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15 Jun 2016, 6:26 pm

pezar wrote:
You're confusing "materialism" with "scientism". What you described is scientism. Scientism is pretty cool, but it does have its limitations. There are some things that are outside its purview, which is likely why other religions are sticking around.

Yes, scientism is great at answering how, but people need to know why as well.


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15 Jun 2016, 8:02 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
pezar wrote:
You're confusing "materialism" with "scientism". What you described is scientism. Scientism is pretty cool, but it does have its limitations. There are some things that are outside its purview, which is likely why other religions are sticking around.

Yes, scientism is great at answering how, but people need to know why as well.


Which is why science never quite replaces religion.

I'm a fan of science (at least, as long as it doesn't fall into making pseudoscientific value judgments about what lives are worthy and what aren't). But I'm a fan of religion too.


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15 Jun 2016, 9:25 pm

All of the space stuff was faked to give people a big head, make them prideful.