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23 Mar 2016, 3:37 pm

I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

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23 Mar 2016, 3:43 pm

I have the fish symbol with "dinner" in it.
The company Northern Sun has an outstanding collection of bumper stickers.Great t-shirts also.

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23 Mar 2016, 3:52 pm

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I have the fish symbol with "dinner" in it.
The company Northern Sun has an outstanding collection of bumper stickers.Great t-shirts also.

Very nice...

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23 Mar 2016, 3:55 pm

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I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

I'd agree with the former bumper sticker: anytime religious leaders achieve political power, things don't go well for those being ruled. Church and state need to be kept in their respective spheres in a free society.

The fish sticker sounds like an overt mockery of an ancient Christian symbol, much like the ones that depict the fish with legs and say "Evolve." I suppose if I were an atheist I might find it amusing. But there's no "message" in it, as in the first example you mention, other than a snarky attempt to mock Christians. As one myself, I don't really see anything "outstanding" about that.

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23 Mar 2016, 4:01 pm

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I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

If religious people didn't put it out there to tell the world how wonderful Christianity is, it wouldn't be mocked...

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23 Mar 2016, 6:42 pm

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pcuser wrote:

I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

If religious people didn't put it out there to tell the world how wonderful Christianity is, it wouldn't be mocked...

So, basically you made a post and solicited comments about the bumper stickers in order to bait someone into a religious argument? Nice try. Next time just be honest and issue a manifesto about why you dislike Christianity instead of pretending to discuss the bumper stickers you saw. That would save everyone time.

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23 Mar 2016, 7:27 pm

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pcuser wrote:

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pcuser wrote:

I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

If religious people didn't put it out there to tell the world how wonderful Christianity is, it wouldn't be mocked...

I wasn't baiting anybody. I thought they were clever and therefore posted it. I wasn't trying to bait anybody. I responded to a comment claiming I was mocking Christians. So, if you accuse somebody of something they weren't doing, expect an answer...

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23 Mar 2016, 11:45 pm

Here's a few...

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24 Mar 2016, 1:24 am

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I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

The Church appropriated that symbol from pagan matriarchal goddess cultures. It's actually supposed to be displayed turned ninety degrees with the "tail" down as a fertility / birth symbol (think, line-drawing anatomy). After violently obliterating said cultures during their takeover of much of Europe, it was they who are using it mockingly.

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24 Mar 2016, 5:40 am

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I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

I know that the fish symbol was used in the Middle East at least by Byzantine times, likely before, as a symbol representing Christianity. Do you have documentation of an earlier usage?

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24 Mar 2016, 8:09 am

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I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

Never mind. I just answered my own question with a little Googling. It seems that the fish symbol, while existing as "prior art," was used by early Christians as a covert way of communicating their faith in the early days of religious persecution. Characterizing it as a mockery of existing pagan beliefs would be anachronistic and inaccurate. As Christianity spread in later centuries, one could argue that Christian symbolism and holidays certainly did co-opt local religious beliefs, but in the earliest days of the church mockery was probably the last thing on the minds of believers.

See: http://www.christianitytoday.com/histor ... ymbol.html

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24 Mar 2016, 8:51 am

My understanding of it is that the phrase "Jesus Christ,son of God, savior" when spelled in Greek the first Greek letters in each word spells the Greek word for "fish". Because of this acrostic pun the fish symbol became a secret symbol. You could draw it as graffitti to indicate secret meeting places etc. This was when Christianity was still persecuted.

The fish symbol was revived in the Seventies. Became ubiquitous on bumper stickers. Then the silly back and forth began: the Darwin fish with the legs spoof, and the reply to that ( the fish-with-legs shown belly-up with X's for eyes after being assaulted by the Christian fish).

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24 Mar 2016, 1:06 pm

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untilwereturn wrote:

pcuser wrote:

I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

If religious people didn't put it out there to tell the world how wonderful Christianity is, it wouldn't be mocked...

Yup,I can't tell you how many times I've been told I'm going to hell,the devil is in me,how I need to find Jesus.I respect Christian that don't try to convert me.My brother and sister in law are very devout,some of the nicest people I know.But they don't demand that others adhere to their beliefs.
One of my favorite fish symbols is the Rastafarian one,the fish has dreadlocks and a pipe in its mouth.lol
Fish symbols are common in many beliefs,in Celtic it's the salmon.It can mean abundance and wisdom.

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24 Mar 2016, 1:39 pm

I really like this one.lol They have a whole school of fish symbols.
http://www.northernsun.com/Dinosaur-Car ... 57%29.html

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24 Mar 2016, 2:39 pm

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Edenthiel wrote:

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I saw two great bumper stickers today. When religion ruled it was called the dark ages was one. The other was that fish symbol with SUSHI instead of Agape. Outstanding. Any comments.

I find it fascinating that a small persecuted Jewish cult in Rome (until maybe 100-110 CE, when it reappeared as separated from Judaism & also registered as a threat by/to the Roman government) would appropriate the symbol of an ostensibly different small non-Hebrew Roman cult, don't you? Why would they choose a symbol that already had different specific religious meaning (ie fertility goddess worship) which were also not reflected in the official Roman canon (although possible more tolerated since they followed Roman law)?

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24 Mar 2016, 10:32 pm

I find that bumper stickers tend to fall into the category of sayings that I think of as 'clever', and not in a good way. I think it's similar to jokes that work too hard to be funny, there's just a weird forced quality that turns me off.

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