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12 Mar 2016, 4:15 am

Would it be considered to be ethical to carry out or test this experiment in real life?

In my OPINION hell no!

"Coś ty kotku miał?"


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12 Mar 2016, 4:40 am

No.



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12 Mar 2016, 5:46 am

What would be the point? SC was a thought experiment to illustrate a point. It'd be a little like performing the "if a tree falls in the forest"-experiment with actual trees.


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12 Mar 2016, 9:15 am

You could use one of the Colonel's chickens (destined for the slaughter anyway) instead of a cat.

Or just use an inanimate smoke detector that would beep when a vile of fumes is set off.



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12 Mar 2016, 10:21 am

Deltaville wrote:
Would it be considered to be ethical to carry out or test this experiment in real life?

In my OPINION hell no!

"Coś ty kotku miał?"


Schroedingers Cat is a metaphor concerning the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. It has been demonstrated experimentally without using animals.


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12 Mar 2016, 10:38 am

Schrodinger's cat knocked over Russell's teapot, and made such a clatter that it caused Occam to cut himself with his razor!



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12 Mar 2016, 11:16 am

Only if the cat was really annoying,I can recommend one. :twisted:


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12 Mar 2016, 11:36 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Schrodinger's cat knocked over Russell's teapot, and made such a clatter that it caused Occam to cut himself with his razor!


Thus proving Murphy's Law. :)


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12 Mar 2016, 12:11 pm

Seems like a pointless experiment and not good for the cat, either.


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12 Mar 2016, 12:20 pm

Deltaville wrote:
Would it be considered to be ethical to carry out or test this experiment in real life?

In my OPINION hell no!

"Coś ty kotku miał?"


Using strict formal ethics, yes it would be ethical since it cannot be shown that by acting you are causing harm.

However, that ignores the fact that the experiment makes no accommodations for keeping the cat alive (in terms of air, water, food) past the first short interval.


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12 Mar 2016, 1:35 pm

Edenthiel wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Would it be considered to be ethical to carry out or test this experiment in real life?

In my OPINION hell no!

"Coś ty kotku miał?"


Using strict formal ethics, yes it would be ethical since it cannot be shown that by acting you are causing harm.

However, that ignores the fact that the experiment makes no accommodations for keeping the cat alive (in terms of air, water, food) past the first short interval.


Hello! The cat has a fifty percent chance of dying. Or maybe a 100 percent chance being in a limbo state of being both alive and dead at the same time. Either would be classified "harming an animal"!



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12 Mar 2016, 4:29 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Only if the cat was really annoying,I can recommend one. :twisted:


I think I know which annoying cat you're referring to. :lol:


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12 Mar 2016, 5:11 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Would it be considered to be ethical to carry out or test this experiment in real life?

In my OPINION hell no!

"Coś ty kotku miał?"


Using strict formal ethics, yes it would be ethical since it cannot be shown that by acting you are causing harm.

However, that ignores the fact that the experiment makes no accommodations for keeping the cat alive (in terms of air, water, food) past the first short interval.


Hello! The cat has a fifty percent chance of dying. Or maybe a 100 percent chance being in a limbo state of being both alive and dead at the same time. Either would be classified "harming an animal"!


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12 Mar 2016, 5:20 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Schrodinger's cat knocked over Russell's teapot, and made such a clatter that it caused Occam to cut himself with his razor!


Thus proving Murphy's Law. :)


:lol:



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12 Mar 2016, 5:43 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
You could use one of the Colonel's chickens (destined for the slaughter anyway) instead of a cat.

Or just use an inanimate smoke detector that would beep when a vile of fumes is set off.

Well, you'd have to leave the poison out of the equation. Otherwise I'm not sure who'd want to eat it afterward.


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12 Mar 2016, 5:47 pm

The whole idea of this thought experiment seems to be this - the seeming microcosmic absurdities, ie. the level where Newtonian mechanics fail, should be able to leverage macrocosmic absurdities. The additional implied question seems to be: if this is so why don't we generally see it?

My best shot-from-the-hip answer is probably this; it's not driven by intelligent (as we'd understand it), or at least self-interested, processes. That's why it would take a human to think of super-positioning a whole cat.


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