Douglas Murray: "Making 'Excuses' for Terrorists"

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Why are you making excuses for Jewish terrorists? The founding of Israel was marked by such "rule breaking". Ever heard of the Irgun, an extremist Jewish militia? Every time Israel allows settlements in the occupied territory, they are inviting reprisals. Palestinians have certainly committed atrocities, but they don't have weapons to fight a conventional war. Both sides are religious extremists and promote theocracy. They deserve each other.

As members know, the Wrong Planet rules specify racism as one form of breach of the rules. Some members seem to have interpreted this to mean that linking racist articles is not against the rules - their assumption seems to be that racism only applies when members write the text of their own posts. Douglas Murray is well identified in the UK as an anti-Islam extremist - he actually advocated at one stage the destruction of Mosques, and has a long history of promoting racial discrimination. Wrong Planet was never set up nor intended to be a platform for extreme racism; so it seems to me that the rule needs to be clarified between Alex and the moderation team, so that we can offer more transparent rule clarity to members.

I have unlocked the thread however please post with care.

I don't see anything racist in the article itself. Even if there was, is it not okay to discuss it? Or discuss perhaps the non-racist parts?

Oh, and Islam is not a race. Islam is a belief system, and advocating to tear down mosques is not racist. Let's not get that confused. There are white Muslims and non-Muslim Arabs. I don't know the man though, and as you say, it's Alex's forum and Alex's rules, so I'll try to abide by whatever he wants enforced. I thought there was some truth to the article. Israel helps keep the wolf from the door in the West, and I do think we're terribly ungrateful at times. If any Western country was under the pressure Israel is under, I think it unlikely they'd be happy if their military showed the restraint Israel does. Israel gets held to impossible standards, while their opponents get held to no standards and treated as if they're somehow equal to Israel. Israel's enemies are among the very worst vermin on the face of the planet. Israel only ever seems to get bashed and never gets any praise.

Israel's no angel and at times I've been disgusted by their actions don't get me wrong. But I wonder how many Western countries if in their situation would have taken off the gloves and not worried about collateral damage or even just flattened Palestine by now, along with anyone else who opposed them. I really can't imagine America not having flattened the whole area by now if America was Israel. I could imagine with America's gun culture ordinary Americans raiding into Palestine in retribution for terrorist attacks too.

The USA doesn't have an occupied territory in it's midst.

I remember Tequila from years back. Whenever I browsed the politics sub-forum (which was rare) I'd usually see Tequila pumping out Zionist propaganda and ignoring any facts that contradicted his narrative. Tequila decides to spend his time pumping out Zionist propaganda because he's anti-Islam.

At least Douglas Murray gets paid for this stuff!

The Native Americans might beg to differ.

self governed and policed, they have all the rights that i do

They have limited sovereignty at best. While reservations do have self management that management is under the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Any sentence of more then 3 years is handled by the Federal Courts and the FBI investigates serious crimes on reservations.

You probably have a case in that America is a more benevolent occupier then most. If you do not think we are occupiers see what would if one of the tribes declares independence and tries to raise an army.

When did Islam become a race?

Douglas Murray is well identified as a Neo-Conservative. Anything beyond that is the usual excrement-hosing so common to politics today.



Why is it always the military option first for NA?

In the civilised world we have our vassals hold referendums before launching full-frontal fearmongering campaigns to deter 'leave' votes.

I don't always agree with him, but if Douglas Murray is far-right and extremist (the people who are calling him extremist and Nazi tend to be Islamists) then so is Melanie Phillips. I dislike the social conservatism of Melanie Phillips, but nobody serious would call her far-right, extremist or racist either, even though she is critical of Islam. They are frequently both on The Moral Maze on BBC Radio 4 and BBC One's Question Time here in Britain. If they were far-right or extremist, they wouldn't be allowed on these shows as they would be discredited.

It's much like calling UKIP far-right, racist or extremist. If it was any of those things, I wouldn't be a party member.

As for the original article: I think we have to root out Islamic extremism properly. We need to stop funding and pandering to the grievance mongering of Islamists, and give genuinely liberal Muslims more support. We need to provide much more support for ex-Muslims, Muslim minorities (the Ahmadis have a tough time of it) and Muslim liberals. We need to close down mosques and clerics that preach violence, hatred, sectarianism, antisemitism and misogyny. We need to draw a line in the sand, I think. We need to stand up for Western values, and that means standing side by side with Israel. We need to make it clear that if Arabs have the right to live in Israel, Jews have the right to live in Judea and Samaria. We need to stop calling the Territories "occupied", but disputed, which is what they actually are. We need to cut off all funding to the Palestinian entities of the PA and Hamas TODAY and tell them that their hatred of Jews, their Islamism and their financial corruption is unacceptable in a modern society. UNRWA needs to be closed down and the Arab governments told to integrate their Palestinian populations.