State sovereignty and international courts?

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pawelk1986
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27 Mar 2016, 4:21 pm

A few years ago, it was a high-profile case in Poland.

One old man, a veteran of World War II, a former soldier of Polish Home Army, participant of the Warsaw Uprising, he had at home an impressive collection of firearms, pistols, rifles, and machine guns of the Warsaw Uprising, it was the most defective collectibles guns but with certain (long) works can be restored to fully functionality.
One day he entered his house anti- terrorist unit (something like an American SWAT)

This was done without excessive violence, the police simply confiscated 199 pieces of various types of firearms, put him charge of illegal possession of firearms without a license, which otherwise is very difficult in Poland to get, you have to have undergone psychological tests and prove that you are not crazy, pass course, and finally get a firearms license from the local police chief (or military police if someone is a soldier on active duty) due to place of residence

and the police / military police do not required to issue such a license, even as someone passes all the earlier stages of the proceedings. Everything depends on the feel-good, a particular Inspector :D

Besides weapons permit is issued for a specific item, and the categories of firearms.

And that you had 199 pieces of various types of guns, and in addition none of these guns was not registered in a government registry of firearms, which in itself is an offense.

The guy in court defending himself that these are collector's items, in addition, entirely defective. But the prosecutor argued that, to be considered a weapon for defective item collector, is such a firearm must be drilled through the barrel of a certified gunsmith, which issues the relevant document. The prosecutor also said that the collection of firearms, firearms even a completely devoid of the functional characteristics must be registered in the Interior Ministry, he said that this man is old and someday criminals or terrorists could to steal the collections, and to restore the weapons functional features.

An interesting fact is that such a firearm that gentleman had wanted to National Museum of the Warsaw Uprising :-)
Apparently our Polish government wanted an easy way to get the exhibits for the new museum :D

The man appealed successively to the Supreme Court of the Republic of Polish, but the Supreme Court refused to hear an application (by the way what kind of Supreme Court refuses to hear citizen complaints, sometimes I think that Poland is damn banana republic :( )

The guy did not give up and appealed to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, many Polish War II veterans, cheered him, largely because he ruled the then Civic Platform, or liberals, and as everyone knows every liberal is a commie in the heart :)

Poland must respect the judgments of the ECHR, because it was one of the conditions of our accession to the European Union.

I am writing this because many of our veterans but also younger people who sympathized with the old man, and themselves referred to as "Polish Patriots" They thought that putting the matter to the judgment of EPTC is a mistake, as the Tribunals International threaten the sovereignty of the Republic of Polish, moreover, they are contesting very often the judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, they believe that the Polish courts are not the fastest, sometimes biased, but in the end, "the family dirts should be washed in home not in public" :D

And you, what do you think?



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27 Mar 2016, 5:11 pm

I do not believe international courts have any authority over a sovereign state, if they do then they are not truly sovereign.



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27 Mar 2016, 5:16 pm

Jacoby wrote:
I do not believe international courts have any authority over a sovereign state, if they do then they are not truly sovereign.


The veteran anyway won the case of the ECHR, the Polish government was sentenced to that, or he will turn his collections, or have to pay a large compensation, many Poles cheered this old man, but was resistance against the jurisdiction of the ECHR :?



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27 Mar 2016, 6:28 pm

I'd say that Poland should revise its own gun laws so this would never happen again. And given Poland's history and geography, Polish citizens should certainly be able to acquire personal firearms much more easily.


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