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01 Apr 2016, 1:50 pm

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LABOUR TAKE NOTE: UKIP EXPEL ANTI-SEMITE

UKIP have formally expelled their London chairman out of the party he shouted anti-Semitic slurs at a fellow member. John Hellings apparently called Nigel Sussman a “north London Jewish c**t”. Farage says “The party has strict rules governing this sort of thing. I am satisfied that our processes work.”


Corbyn's Labour, please take note. This is how you deal with anti-Semites and racists: you kick them out of the party. You don't tell them you'll let them in again in two years like you did with Scott Nelson, you morons. You kick them out permanently.

Apparently, Hellings used to be a Labour Party member of 20 years standing. Hm...



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01 Apr 2016, 3:09 pm

But what does it say about UKIP that this person could rise through its ranks to high office, without anyone apparently noticing what sort of person he was?



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01 Apr 2016, 3:13 pm

DeepHour wrote:
But what does it say about UKIP that this person could rise through its ranks to high office, without anyone apparently noticing what sort of person he was?


If people don't out themselves as racists and bigots, we're not to know.

I believe he was chairman of a local branch, not someone known on the national level.

Although I take your point that my party, UKIP, is frequently inept in organisational matters.



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01 Apr 2016, 4:11 pm

DeepHour wrote:
But what does it say about UKIP that this person could rise through its ranks to high office, without anyone apparently noticing what sort of person he was?


It says nothing about UKIP and everything about Hellings' ability to fly under the radar before apparently losing the plot. Short of some form of thoughtcrime inquisition, I'm not sure how else they might have handled it.

Do you hold the other parties to such exacting standards, or do you jump on the media bandwagon like everyone else at the mere hint of impropriety by UKIP in a bid to tarnish and undermine the entire party?

In reality, UKIP have an excellent record of dealing with individual members who demonstrate even a hint of turpitude, excising them swiftly and permanently. The same cannot be said of their rivals.



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01 Apr 2016, 4:16 pm

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The same cannot be said of their rivals.


As I've said, Labour has the worst record for this. They accept former BNP councillors and even fully fledged ex-neo-Nazis into their party, whereas UKIP doesn't allow them to join.



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01 Apr 2016, 8:04 pm

Tequila wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
The same cannot be said of their rivals.


As I've said, Labour has the worst record for this. They accept former BNP councillors and even fully fledged ex-neo-Nazis into their party, whereas UKIP doesn't allow them to join.


The key phrase is "allow them to join"...isn't it true that ex-BNP, ex-Neo Nazi, etc. who joined UKIP before 2008 cannot be kicked out?



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02 Apr 2016, 6:17 am

iBlockhead wrote:
The key phrase is "allow them to join"...isn't it true that ex-BNP, ex-Neo Nazi, etc. who joined UKIP before 2008 cannot be kicked out?


Yes, that's true. That's when the rules were put in place.

They can be kicked out if they break the rules, but if they don't then we can't remove them.

We also recently kicked out an ex-BNP member from UKIP.

I'm sure you're aware of the case of Martyn Heale, the chairman of Thanet South branch. He was a member of the National Front in the 1970s for a brief period, something he now much regrets. He later left the NF as he had gotten grief from fellow party members for having a non-white girlfriend (who he later married). He was then a member of the Conservative Party for over 20 years before joining UKIP.

However, as far as I'm aware, the main three political parties do not have any particular rules against ex-BNP/ex-neo-Nazis joining them. As I've said, the Labour Party allows ex-BNP councillors to join them without any fuss being made.

We occasionally do have the far-right trying to get involved with us - we always tell them to get lost in no uncertain terms, although our biggest problem is that sometimes our local activists are a bit naïve and don't know who the nasties are. I had to bring it to their attention who a known local white supremacist politician was who contacted us over Facebook, for instance.