All costs of child rearing should be borne by men.

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28 Feb 2016, 1:44 pm

All costs of child rearing should be borne by men.

At one time, inheritance was strictly to the male heirs. Some women ended up owning some of the wealth of course but wealth was basically in the hands of men.

Men decided just how much wealth was to go to their sons. Consideration of women was secondary.

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Women, when stressed by financial considerations do not produce the best children. The more stress a woman has when pregnant and after while rearing the child, the less of a child and adult she will have produced. This is not good for society.

To improve society as a whole, now that half of the children grow up in poverty and lack of opportunity, I think men must step up and take more of the burden. Parental love demands that we change our ways.

Women are clearly failing to do what is required, in terms of family and quality of offspring, --- thanks to the poor quality of men and how we are financing birth, --- and I think that men of better quality must step up and shift the financial burden away from women. This would produce unstressed births and better human beings. I see it as a man’s social duty.

It would also be a rite of passage for young men who are producing all of the bastard children that we see everywhere and who are stuck in a financial doldrums that is holding us all back as a wealthy society.

Women presently hold most of the financial burden for child rearing and this is detrimental to all of society. Should we as a society do the right thing and un-stress the births in our country and thus produce better people?

We keep talking about women’s reproductive rights. I think we should be talking about men’s duty in terms of reproductive rights and responsibility. Our children deserve this.

We men have shirked their duty to society by allowing the production of less than the best possible births. We are shirking our duty to our children if we do not bear the financial burden of the best possible births/rearing. I think that if things are to improve, men will have to do the right thing and foot the bills.

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29 Feb 2016, 4:49 pm

Is this satire?


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29 Feb 2016, 5:10 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
Is this satire?



Let's hope so!

Why should men have to pay for women who voluntarily choose to be single mothers by means of artificial insemination?



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29 Feb 2016, 5:10 pm

It must be.

If a woman has a child by artificial insemination, she will not likely know who the father is, so she will not know where to send the invoice.

Unless a "Penis Tax" is enacted, I don't see how putting the financial burden for raising children solely on men would be possible.



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29 Feb 2016, 5:27 pm

Ah man, my sides are splitting :lol:

Where to start...

The responsibility of child rearing, lies with both parties. That much should be obvious.

You can't mandate for someone not to paying for their child.

The only time the state should be involved is where one isn't not contributing to child's upbringing.



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29 Feb 2016, 7:10 pm

I don't think men should be responsible at all unless the consent to keeping the child. Men should have a choice just like women do.



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29 Feb 2016, 7:17 pm

Fnord wrote:
It must be.

If a woman has a child by artificial insemination, she will not likely know who the father is, so she will not know where to send the invoice.

Unless a "Penis Tax" is enacted, I don't see how putting the financial burden for raising children solely on men would be possible.


Where is artificial insemination brought up?


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29 Feb 2016, 7:22 pm

I think there should be birth control for men. I'm tired of women always having to shoulder the burden. I don't mean condoms either. I mean a "The Pill" for men. Women keep having to take chances with oral contraceptives which puts them in danger of strokes and heart attacks, mood swings, etc. What do men have to put up with? A lot of them don't even want to be responsible for wearing condoms because it doesn't "feel the same". Whaaaaaa! :roll:


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29 Feb 2016, 8:10 pm

nurseangela wrote:
Where is artificial insemination brought up?
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nurseangela wrote:
I think there should be birth control for men. I'm tired of women always having to shoulder the burden. I don't mean condoms either. I mean a "The Pill" for men. Women keep having to take chances with oral contraceptives which puts them in danger of strokes and heart attacks, mood swings, etc. What do men have to put up with? A lot of them don't even want to be responsible for wearing condoms because it doesn't "feel the same".
The latest "Pill" for men that I reviewed had de-masculinizing side-effects.

Vasectomy is an option; but as more than one woman has told me, a man who practices birth-control denies women their own reproductive rights.

I'd hate to deprive some poor woman the choice of having a baby to abort.

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29 Feb 2016, 8:20 pm

Fnord wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Where is artificial insemination brought up?
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nurseangela wrote:
I think there should be birth control for men. I'm tired of women always having to shoulder the burden. I don't mean condoms either. I mean a "The Pill" for men. Women keep having to take chances with oral contraceptives which puts them in danger of strokes and heart attacks, mood swings, etc. What do men have to put up with? A lot of them don't even want to be responsible for wearing condoms because it doesn't "feel the same".
The latest "Pill" for men that I reviewed had de-masculinizing side-effects.

Vasectomy is an option; but as more than one woman has told me, a man who practices birth-control denies women their own reproductive rights.

I'd hate to deprive some poor woman the choice of having a baby to abort.

:roll:


This gives me the idea to start another thread........


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01 Mar 2016, 4:12 pm

Not sure if this satire is not.

I would vote for more maternal pay though.

Some men well simply dont have the money. We have enough male suicides borne out of feelings of financial inadequacy. We dont need any more of them.



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09 Mar 2016, 7:41 am

AR15000 wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Is this satire?



Let's hope so!

Why should men have to pay for women who voluntarily choose to be single mothers by means of artificial insemination?


So you pick the issue with the really small % of cases and want to build a law around that for the masses.

In such cases, men could hit and run.

Why do you think you and I should support someone else's child, in other than your rare cases, while the deadbeat dad runs away?

Seems that you two would be the hit and run types but I am curious.

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09 Mar 2016, 7:43 am

Fnord wrote:
It must be.

If a woman has a child by artificial insemination, she will not likely know who the father is, so she will not know where to send the invoice.

Unless a "Penis Tax" is enacted, I don't see how putting the financial burden for raising children solely on men would be possible.


It is called law and garnishee.

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09 Mar 2016, 7:45 am

0_equals_true wrote:
Ah man, my sides are splitting :lol:

Where to start...

The responsibility of child rearing, lies with both parties. That much should be obvious.

You can't mandate for someone not to paying for their child.

The only time the state should be involved is where one isn't not contributing to child's upbringing.


Which, in the case of the many welfare moms, is a lot of the time.

Do you like your tax dollars doing what you say fathers should be doing?

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09 Mar 2016, 7:48 am

sly279 wrote:
I don't think men should be responsible at all unless the consent to keeping the child. Men should have a choice just like women do.


You seem to be getting your wish as men are shirking their duty to children and family more and ore.

Men here so far do no seem to care about that.

No wonder more women are rejecting marriage altogether and some are going it alone instead of putti up with the garbage men we are producing.

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09 Mar 2016, 7:50 am

nurseangela wrote:
Fnord wrote:
It must be.

If a woman has a child by artificial insemination, she will not likely know who the father is, so she will not know where to send the invoice.

Unless a "Penis Tax" is enacted, I don't see how putting the financial burden for raising children solely on men would be possible.


Where is artificial insemination brought up?


It was not. He is using it as his scapegoat instead of putting his mind to work.

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