Libertarian socialism: the superior socialism

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Authroitarian socilism is a plauge upon the name socialism and the world. Marxism, for example. But there are better forms that have bareley been tried, but work when they are. The social anarchisms. People mistake it for a pipe dream, but it is not. Do research on the free territory and catalonia. As well as lso tolstoy's peasant communes. Communism is not stalinism. Communism is free.

reluctantly I must agree that there are times a strongman/strong gov't is needed to restrain the worst impulses of its citizens, including a firm clampdown on predatory rich people who misuse their natural intellectual gifts to take advantage of the less intelligent/less addled.

The Catalonian anarchist society was crushed by Francisco Franco.

Anarchist societies have a poor track record when it comes to national defense.

I think that social anarchism may be a positive end goal ... one that I will never live to see. For now, we should create a freer society, one step at a time.

How would Libertarian Socialism work?

what kind of libertarian is socialist?

Make it happen. Paul / Nader

I have a feeling in the next couple decades, if we want to keep civil society at all, some alternate way of earning one's right to exist aside from work will need to come about. My guess is, if there's either a UBI or workfare-ish equivalent to it we'll have to figure out what it looks like to have a branch of government that's in charge of delivering the benefit and having all their incentives and metrics lined up to ignore politicians and congress to stave off the risk of them quite literally buying votes.

From there we might get one foot in culturally on some new way to think about existence but it'll clearly need to be slow and methodical so a stable culture seeds and grows properly around it.

Short answer: It wouldn't.

Long answer: Pretend that you have two cows.

Under Socialism, the government takes one and gives it to your neighbor. Then the government takes the extra milk neither of you needs and distributes it across the population to ensure that no one is left lacking in milk.

Under Libertarianism, you have a gun to stop the government in violating your natural rights by taking away your cows, the milk, or anything else that you claim as yours.

The two systems are in opposition. One requires sharing the means of production and its products equally, even with people who do not take part in the actual production. The other allows for the retention of personal rights and property, and allows for the exercise of violent means to insure one's ownership of the means of production and its products.

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Any guvermint that can take things that are yours from you, cows included, is f****d up.

The Native Americans agree.

Anyone else notice that it's just about always the have-nots that are in favor of distribution of wealth?

Doesn't Libertarianism favor a more Capitalistic economy rather than a Socialistic one.

I waded through some of the major bullet points and I think they'd have to mean social libertarian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

It seems like the need for central and local government, reliable bodies of law and judicial systems, and police, fire fighters, military, etc is pretty much a given - otherwise your assurances are on too shaky of grounds and your consumption behavior would end up revolving around self-defense which is really inefficient when you think about it. The other piece is that there are places in the world where vigilantism is how justice gets done and they're not particularly pleasant places to live.

Nested in the context of still having strong government and laws though, particularly if the technology improves enough that people don't need to work as much or the basics of living and even recreation become incredibly inexpensive, we might be able to try some public property experiments and see where we can get incentives to line up well. You could maybe have a certain portion of the tools we need in public domain, almost like an attempt at a hardware approach to what free software currently is now (though yeah - without the same scalability), and I'm sure there'd have to be actively enforced fines and penalties for people abusing/damaging said public property, but that would be an experimental starting point where people could donate that sort of cache and not just have it be a discard heap of obsolete items.

IMHO it would really be great if most basic consumer products, like simple kitchen wear or toiletries, were something people could make on demand and it wasn't the obligation of a grocery store or drug store to stock them. I'm considering this one mostly from the waste and redundancy angle. There could be other categories of items like that too such as 3D printed shovels or rakes, making your own LED's on demand, etc..

All of that seems like it would be closer though to just taking the edge off and it would be more a result of our technological progress giving us more options rather than us finding out somehow that Hobbes was wrong or that lo and behold our fierce competitive nature isn't the accrual of a half billion years of evolution. We'd just be making the small stuff ourselves and from there we could find other novel ways to be perfect a***holes to each other.

Yes. Specifically, a "Laissez-Faire" economy - one in which government controls are relaxed, and individuals are allowed to make as much money and keep as much of the profits for themselves as they can.

This is another point upon which Libertarianism and Socialism are in direct conflict with each other.

Wow. People with wealth and power don't want to give it up. Very insightful.

No,

Anarchism is the original definition of libertarianism.

Capitalism can't function without a state. Private property is a state sanction.