What do you think about lowering voting age?

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31 May 2016, 12:12 pm

If anything I think it should be raised since 16 year olds are more infantile now than ever in our history and more and more people(not just us on the spectrum) don't become independent until 20s. Allowing children to vote is just giving their parents an extra vote or however else has their hooks in them, they have no understanding of the world.



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31 May 2016, 12:19 pm

I think it's a great idea. There are a lot of teenagers who have a lot of strong opinions about things.


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31 May 2016, 1:05 pm

Jacoby wrote:
If anything I think it should be raised since 16 year olds are more infantile now than ever in our history and more and more people(not just us on the spectrum) don't become independent until 20s. Allowing children to vote is just giving their parents an extra vote or however else has their hooks in them, they have no understanding of the world.


Increase the age is even a good idea, young adults, in particular in Poland would not like it, and then was formed by a group of pissed off, young people, the tem just add add a charismatic young or middle-aged leader, march on Warsaw, and can tople our Government :mrgreen:

Not that I have something to present government of Law and Justice, even like them, but the increase of the voting age, it is an ideal opportunity to become prime minister instead Premie Minister.

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31 May 2016, 8:48 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I think it's a great idea. There are a lot of teenagers who have a lot of strong opinions about things.

That's the exact opposite of what we want. Ideally voters need to be unbiased so they can choose the best leaders without letting anything get in the way of reason. People with strong opinions often jump to extremes and have a bias that may prevent them from picking the best leaders.

When I was 16 I was a conspiracy theorist (I even listened to Alex Jones if you would believe it) who would have always voted republican if given the choice no matter who the nominee was. At that age I would not have made a very good voter.


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31 May 2016, 9:55 pm

No, teenagers are generally stupid and have no grasp on complicated issues. That said, most people don't have a grasp on these issues, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. 18 is a good minimum.


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01 Jun 2016, 2:41 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I think it's a great idea. There are a lot of teenagers who have a lot of strong opinions about things.


Which is why they shouldn't vote, yet.
Teenagers with strong opinions is howbyou get someone like Trump elected.

Indeed, voting age should be raised if anything, it might even be an idea to require a little "voting exam", where you have to show that you know what is going on with current issues.
Not pre-testing opinions, but just basic understanding; "busses use oil-based fuel, true or false", "irradiating water with X-rays makes it radioactive, true or false", "mexicans do work that noone else wants to do, true or false"



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01 Jun 2016, 9:01 am

I've thought having civics test similar to the one they give to immigrants when they come to this country would be a good idea but that would wipe out half the voter rolls most likely so nobody would ever allow that disenfranchisement

If anything I think the age of adulthood should be pushed up to 21 across the board to reflect the reality of the current day. That includes the military, if we ever needed more troops then we can change it back.



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01 Jun 2016, 11:13 am

izzeme wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I think it's a great idea. There are a lot of teenagers who have a lot of strong opinions about things.


Which is why they shouldn't vote, yet.
Teenagers with strong opinions is howbyou get someone like Trump elected.

Indeed, voting age should be raised if anything, it might even be an idea to require a little "voting exam", where you have to show that you know what is going on with current issues.
Not pre-testing opinions, but just basic understanding; "busses use oil-based fuel, true or false", "irradiating water with X-rays makes it radioactive, true or false", "mexicans do work that noone else wants to do, true or false"


And here we come back to my previous statement, assume that someone chiał to raise the age of the election, but such a change in itself would have to be voted on in a referendum, and I doubt that young voters voted for own disfranchisement :mrgreen:

And if the change was ogurnie imposed, is an intelligent and charismatic leader, could effectively play these animosities, uttering even the thesis "that the generation of 18-19 year olds were treacherous stabbed in the back by a generation of 20-30 without ambition, from word to word, you would then a crowd of pissed off young people, equipped with pitchforks and torches, that can lead to the capital, Warsaw, London, Berlin, Washington, you name it :mrgreen:



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01 Jun 2016, 11:25 am

What good is it being able to vote when the people you vote for are all filthy lying sleazebags?



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02 Jun 2016, 12:17 am

Raise it, maybe to 30.


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02 Jun 2016, 2:14 pm

Support for raising the voting age inarguably stems from a belief that the collective punishment of an involuntarily defined demographic is more important than the protection individual rights and liberties.

A question for the many right-wingers who believe that the voting age should be raised:

In what respect is your stance any different from the alleged socially collectivist stance of the "SJWs" you're always complaining about?


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02 Jun 2016, 2:27 pm

How is it 'collective punishment'? I thinks the entire age of adulthood should be raised to 21 across the board including for the military to reflect the current reality of extended adolescence.



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02 Jun 2016, 2:40 pm

Jacoby wrote:
How is it 'collective punishment'? I thinks the entire age of adulthood should be raised to 21 across the board including for the military to reflect the current reality of extended adolescence.
Seconded, but for a different reason. I think that most people under the age of 21 haven't even a clue regarding what is really important, or even why it might be important in the first place.



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02 Jun 2016, 3:07 pm

Fnord wrote:
Seconded, but for a different reason. I think that most people under the age of 21 haven't even a clue regarding what is really important.
Jacoby wrote:
How is it 'collective punishment'?

You're proposing that we disadvantage all members of an involuntarily defined demographic by stripping them of an important civil right based upon the circumstances, thoughts and behaviours of some members of that demographic without taking into account the existence of individuals - no matter how few in numbers - who do not display the characteristics you've mentioned. As a matter of principle, are individual rights and liberties important to you, or do they become negotiable when their withdrawal is politically convenient?


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02 Jun 2016, 3:23 pm

Me and Fnord probably couldn't be more different politically

I don't think it is possible if you want an honest answer so it's not serious proposal, OP asked if it should be lowered when I think it should be higher. Simple as that, it's easy to give something but almost impossible to take it back. It's just my opinion that 18 year old's don't make our democracy better, no longer are they drafted to fight in wars at age 18 and you can't even drink until you are 21. How many people in that age rage are independent at all? Most people's views evolve a lot in those years because they have no real concept of the world as it really is at that point. More people voting doesn't automatically mean it's a good thing, I'm down with the civics test idea too.