Trump: "Run the economy like a failed casino!"

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15 May 2016, 9:02 pm

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Trump's valuation is subjective since it is tied up in real estate assets not to mention his way undervalued brand, if he had tax problems then we'd know about it and I'm sure the IRS would too, private money and a private issue and there is no benefit to releasing these records.

You're right he doesn't have to, but again it's about credibility and trust, if he can't be transparent like all the other candidates then he's most likely hiding something. Doesn't matter whether he is or not, but that's the perception it will create. It's his own grave on that one.
Also, his "fluctuation" bs-- sorry but every market fluctuates, and real estate is actually about the most stable market there is, even when you toss in the sub-prime fiasco it's still relatively stable. I'd be much more inclined to believe that argument if he was in a highly fluctuating market, say technology or commodities.

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The Whitewater indictments were made by an independent counsel and were paid for by tax payer dollars, it was a criminal investigation and if Hillary has nothing to hide then she should request the National Archives release the records but of course she is being protected as she always has been.

Yes, Hillary is dirty too. That's a given after 30+ years of politics. Then again, she's never claimed she was trustworthy, merely that she can actually do the job.

Trump's made the same claim, but again it all boils down to his business experience of which he claims his wealth is the number 1 indicator of that experience. If it turns out he's lying about that experience, what credentials does he have? He's a good personality? He's a good flim-flam man? Sorry, neither is going to cut it with the general electorate.



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15 May 2016, 9:05 pm

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If his valuation is not near what he's claiming that also raises serious credibility issues over his character and trustworthiness-- you know since that's all he talks about, since that's all he's ever accomplished (or not accomplished as the case may be).

I find that I often agree with you, but that assertion is simply not true. He makes other claims as to his "qualifications":


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15 May 2016, 9:11 pm

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Aristophanes wrote:
If his valuation is not near what he's claiming that also raises serious credibility issues over his character and trustworthiness-- you know since that's all he talks about, since that's all he's ever accomplished (or not accomplished as the case may be).

I find that I often agree with you, but that assertion is simply not true. He makes other claims as to his "qualifications":


Lol, I stand corrected. Most people mess up the use of the word "literal" but that is literally a qualification straight from the jungle.



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15 May 2016, 9:20 pm

It doesn't really matter if Trump is worth 4 billion or 10 billion, real estate is very subjective tho because they're really worth as much as somebody might pay for them. Trump owns real estate in the most coveted parts of the country, if he were to sell he'd have a ton of interested buyers. Anyone that tries to say Trump is a poor business man is just really desperate, if Trump is a poor businessman for only being worth $4.5 billion like Forbes says then what does that make Mitt Romney and Carly Fiorina? Total bums? Trump will be richest presidential nominee of a major party ever in the US, he is a great businessman simple as that. He's made fortunes, lost fortunes, made fortunes again, he's created many many many jobs probably more than any candidate in history.

Trump is much more qualified than Hillary and that is all that matters, he's right on the relevant issues and all Hillary can do is sidetrack about race and womynz issues.



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15 May 2016, 9:27 pm

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Aristophanes wrote:
If his valuation is not near what he's claiming that also raises serious credibility issues over his character and trustworthiness-- you know since that's all he talks about, since that's all he's ever accomplished (or not accomplished as the case may be).

I find that I often agree with you, but that assertion is simply not true. He makes other claims as to his "qualifications":



Remember it was little Marco Rubio that started that exchange, he tried to be Trump for a minute before his candidacy imploded in his home state and even he is ashamed of himself for it. Getting into it with Trump like that is like wrestling with a pig, you get dirty and the pig loves it. The line got a laugh and Trump scored the knock out blow against Marco.



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15 May 2016, 9:31 pm

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Edenthiel wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
If his valuation is not near what he's claiming that also raises serious credibility issues over his character and trustworthiness-- you know since that's all he talks about, since that's all he's ever accomplished (or not accomplished as the case may be).

I find that I often agree with you, but that assertion is simply not true. He makes other claims as to his "qualifications":



Remember it was little Marco Rubio that started that exchange, he tried to be Trump for a minute before his candidacy imploded in his home state and even he is ashamed of himself for it. Getting into it with Trump like that is like wrestling with a pig, you get dirty and the pig loves it. The line got a laugh and Trump scored the knock out blow against Marco.


...and quite a few people thought to themselves, "is this really the sort of person we want in the most highly respected position in our nation"? After that exchange it was like having to choose between Bevis or Butthead to represent and lead America; No matter who you choose, you lose.


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15 May 2016, 9:37 pm

I did not know you were so hoity toity to have you sensibilities so easily bruised, Trump responded with a funny line to a ridiculously desperate opponent.

We've heard all these personal accounts about Trump but what about Hillary? She is universally considered one of the nastiest meanest people in politics, read what Secret Service agents charged with protecting her life say about her.



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15 May 2016, 9:37 pm

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Remember it was little Marco Rubio that started that exchange, he tried to be Trump for a minute before his candidacy imploded in his home state and even he is ashamed of himself for it. Getting into it with Trump like that is like wrestling with a pig, you get dirty and the pig loves it. The line got a laugh and Trump scored the knock out blow against Marco.

Who gives one iota of a s**t about the best one liners? We're talking about the leader of the free world not who gives the best Comedy Central roast.

edit: punctuation.



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15 May 2016, 9:45 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
Remember it was little Marco Rubio that started that exchange, he tried to be Trump for a minute before his candidacy imploded in his home state and even he is ashamed of himself for it. Getting into it with Trump like that is like wrestling with a pig, you get dirty and the pig loves it. The line got a laugh and Trump scored the knock out blow against Marco.

Who gives one iota of a s**t about the best one liners? We're talking about the leader of the free world not who gives the best Comedy Central roast.

edit: punctuation.


Yes, who cares really? Trump is superior on the issues and that's where he'll win. Hillary is on the wrong side of too many issues, she will be easily defeated. I do not think Trump not being politically correct is a bad thing, it's one of the reasons I like him and why he will win.



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15 May 2016, 9:48 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Remember it was little Marco Rubio that started that exchange, he tried to be Trump for a minute before his candidacy imploded in his home state and even he is ashamed of himself for it. Getting into it with Trump like that is like wrestling with a pig, you get dirty and the pig loves it. The line got a laugh and Trump scored the knock out blow against Marco.

Who gives one iota of a s**t about the best one liners? We're talking about the leader of the free world not who gives the best Comedy Central roast.

edit: punctuation.


Yes, who cares really? Trump is superior on the issues and that's where he'll win. Hillary is on the wrong side of too many issues, she will be easily defeated. I do not think Trump not being politically correct is a bad thing, it's one of the reasons I like him and why he will win.


Right on what issues? He hasn't taken a stand on any of them. He stated just yesterday that everything he's said are merely suggestions and subject to change.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/13/trump-all-policy-proposals-are-just-flexible-suggestions/

edit: word change for sentence clarity.



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16 May 2016, 12:35 am

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there were over 5 draft indictments for Hillary during the Whitewater case made by an independent counsel, it was a serious case and the American people should be able to know what the investigation found. If Hillary is innocent then she has nothing to hide right?


Well, if there's anything to it, then let the state prove it's case before a court of law.


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16 May 2016, 12:29 pm

I guarantee you, you wouldn't vote for Hillary if she had a R in front of her name.



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16 May 2016, 2:49 pm

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I guarantee you, you wouldn't vote for Hillary if she had a R in front of her name.


Admittedly, probably not. And that's because she'd have the failed supply side economics, voter suppression, the coddling of the xenophobic right, the heartless demonization of the needy, etc, and everything else bad about the modern Republican party riding behind her. At least with a D in front of her name, I can have some sense that she's on my side.


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17 May 2016, 4:29 pm

Republicans have never been good at proving that running a nation like a business is a good idea. Mostly because there is no evidence this would actually work. And if you look at businesses in America, they fail all the time. Politics is not a business, it's a science. You aren't going to bolster the economy by running like a real estate empire.



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17 May 2016, 8:25 pm

Please explain how the democrats have been any better? If you believe in the left/right paradigm, you have a lot to learn. There are only two parties, the establishment and the anti-establishment. Both democrats and republicans belong to both of those parties.



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17 May 2016, 8:38 pm

The Democrats ARE the party of big business, look at where all the corporate money has been going these last few elections. They no longer represent the interests of the working class, they actively work against them. Most Republicans aren't any better but the Republican establishment has been overthrown and things will never be the same again. Bill Kristol will be supporting Hillary before it is all said and over with, let that sink in.