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31 May 2016, 2:13 pm

There's been some much debate about free will, what about free won't? Do we have that?



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31 May 2016, 5:01 pm

I'm not sure how to answer this aside from splitting it out into two parts.

I'd say the universe is 100% deterministic.

If someone evaluates the term 'free will' the way I would, it means a dynamic of choice that is not determined. As a result I can't go with the notion that there's free-will, free-won't, free-anything.

What I keep finding time and time again is that people who'd disagree on this are often not interested in the question of determinism or lack of determinism but whether or not a person can do what they want to do. To me that's a question of can one be a successful agent on behalf of the urges, inclinations, and preferences that they receive. I have no disagreement that people can be very successful agents to their preferences; really it seems like the whole evolution of life and consciousness within a person is centered around the art of becoming an ever-improved agent to these internal inclinations and doing so with less and less friction both inwardly and with the rest of the world.

I just have problems calling this free will because you really didn't chose your own preferences, they may have developed as a consequence of all kinds of things both internal and external and even if they happen to be in some manner transcendental (ie. lets say you die and find out that life is a reincarnating and long-evolving process where the vices are usually belonging to or at least heavily exacerbated by the human animal nature and environment whereas the virtuous inclinations are almost completely of the inner divine spark), we still really find ourselves asking this question first and foremost about whether a human (incarnate) being can do something different in time than information would allow - I still have to side with the answer unequivocally no. Intuitions perhaps can happen, and even if transcendental they'd simply be more ingredients reaching us at a given point in time to cause to act exactly the way we would have if you rewound that moment and the same intuition came again.


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31 May 2016, 6:46 pm

NewTime wrote:
There's been some much debate about free will, what about free won't? Do we have that?


And we have a "Bill of Rights". But how come we don't have a "Bill of Wrongs"?



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01 Jun 2016, 2:47 pm

NewTime wrote:
There's been some much debate about free will, what about free won't? Do we have that?

Free 'won't' is the same as free will. You exercise it freely, of your own will and decide you won't do things.


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01 Jun 2016, 8:51 pm

Free won't ain't as easy on some things.

Has anyone tried to eat just one
Oreo cookie?

If your not into cookies, switch the oreo for your ____ of choice.

Just a little food for thought from
The Other Doctor.


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