Trump says Hispanic Americans have an 'inherent conflict'

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04 Jun 2016, 2:01 pm

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trum ... 1464911442

Trump says that Hispanic Americans have an 'inherent conflict' with him because of his policies. His support among latinos was already ~80% negative; he seems to be reaching for 100%. This would seem to be counter-productive on his part, given that Hispanics are the largest ethnic group in CA and among the largest in TX.

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04 Jun 2016, 8:02 pm

For all Trump's railings against illegals being prone to criminality, and lacking American values, I think it's widely understood that illegals is just code for Latinos among racists.

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04 Jun 2016, 8:29 pm

He's going to lose in California, New York, Florida, and Texas partially because he offended Hispanics.

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04 Jun 2016, 8:31 pm

Trump is a sexist, racist madman and if he gets elected we can all kiss our sorry butts goodbye cuz we gonna get nuked.

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04 Jun 2016, 9:36 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

For all Trump's railings against illegals being prone to criminality, and lacking American values, I think it's widely understood that illegals is just code for Latinos among racists.

Illegal is not a race, skin color or ethnicity, it is simply a character trait of dishonesty. You have a rather vivid imagination.

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04 Jun 2016, 10:03 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:

Trump is a sexist, racist madman and if he gets elected we can all kiss our sorry butts goodbye cuz we gonna get nuked.

I doubt the subjugation of Canada will require nukes, we'll have the boy scouts do it, or maybe the coast guard.

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04 Jun 2016, 11:20 pm

Shrapnel wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

For all Trump's railings against illegals being prone to criminality, and lacking American values, I think it's widely understood that illegals is just code for Latinos among racists.

Illegal is not a race, skin color or ethnicity, it is simply a character trait of dishonesty. You have a rather vivid imagination.

No, illegal is not a "race, skin color, or ethnicity," but when racists speak of illegals, it's code for Latinos as a whole. That's why white supremacists are endorsing Trump right and left. Seriously, are trump or any of his supporters at all concerned about illegals coming from Ireland? Of course not, because they're white, despite the fact that they might have IRA terrorist connections. They're only concerned about brown people coming into the country.

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04 Jun 2016, 11:59 pm

There's always some group of people that support someone for reasons other than what said someone envisions.

Say, black supremacists/racists and Obama.

It's not a valid argument.

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05 Jun 2016, 12:09 am

Dillogic wrote:

There's always some group of people that support someone for reasons other than what said someone envisions.

Say, black supremacists/racists and Obama.

It's not a valid argument.

I seriously doubt the President is a black supremacist. And seriously, how many of those black supremacists are there? How much power do they exercise, and how much physical harm have they actually caused? The conservative assertion that so called counter racism is a worse problem than racism is just a racially motivated myth.

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05 Jun 2016, 12:50 am

Trump wants touch-back amnesty for illegal people.
Trump wants to secure the border.

He wants the criminals deported.

Right now we release rapists, murderers, kidnappers.

" In 2015, ICE freed 19,723 criminal aliens, who had a total of 64,197 convictions among them"

-216 kidnappers
-101 Murders
-1963 Burglers
-614 sex offenders

http://cis.org/vaughan/ice-releases-197 ... liens-2015

So, the argument is that we can't protect the border, because some Hispanic person might be offended?

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05 Jun 2016, 1:02 am

According to this logic Obama should have discharged all the Jewish troops because they have an inherent conflict of interest because of his Iran deal. With this logic any group of any kind may at some point become a potential 5th column. Every group is will be potentially guilty until proven innocent under certain circumstances. America would not survive this fundamental shift in thinking.

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05 Jun 2016, 1:17 am

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Nobody's saying that. Rather, all people of a certain ethnic background shouldn't be demonized because of the actions of a criminal element among them, as racists do. And that racist perception shouldn't be the basis of national policy.

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05 Jun 2016, 10:54 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Nobody's saying that. ".

The OP used the word "policies".

Kraichgauer wrote:

[Rather, all people of a certain ethnic background shouldn't be demonized because of the actions of a criminal element among them, as racists do. And that racist perception shouldn't be the basis of national policy.

Trump isn't demonizing anyone.

We have a problem.

The worst of humanity is entering the country illegally.

They kill, rape, kidnap, molest, run drugs, break into people's homes, car-jack ...

Understandably, because they're very poor, uneducated and likely don't speak English.

This doesn't happen with Canadians, because they aren't poor, are educated, and speak English.

Overtly, this has nothing to do with race.

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05 Jun 2016, 12:42 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

He's going to lose in California, New York, Florida, and Texas partially because he offended Hispanics.

Trump was never likely going to win New York or California anyway... They have voted Democrat in Presidential elections for the last 20 and 24 years, respectively...

Conversely, Texas has voted Republican since 1980 - and with a comfortable margin in the last several elections. Even a strong drive for Hispanics to vote Democrats in Texas in 2016 is unlikely to turn the state Blue in the short run.

Florida, on the other hand...: http://www.270towin.com/states/Florida

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05 Jun 2016, 1:37 pm

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Florida, on the other hand...: http://www.270towin.com/states/Florida

And Hispanics are a younger voting bloc, so they're much less likely to actually vote.

In the 2012 election ...
Pew: "A Record 24 Million Latinos Are Eligible to Vote, But Turnout Rate Has Lagged That of Whites, Blacks"
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/10/01/a ... e-to-vote/

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05 Jun 2016, 1:57 pm

And the latest development... Sorry for the lengthy quote... wouldn't want to be accused of cherry-piciking...

Trump interview, June 5, 2016 wrote:

DICKERSON: So, what if it was a Muslim judge?

TRUMP: By <the> way, I have so many Hispanics.

I made a speech last night. I saw hundreds of signs, Latinos for Trump, Latinos for Trump all over <the> place. And you know what? They are here legally. They don`t want their homes taken away. They don`t want their job taken away. They like what I`m doing.

Now, people can come in, but they have to come in legally.

DICKERSON: You have -- on <the> Muslim -- but what if he was a Muslim, though? You have had -- been very tough on temporary Muslim immigration ban. Would a Muslim judge be also out of <the> question here?

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: We are allowing tremendous numbers of people coming into this country that we know nothing about.

We are -- we have a problem in this country. We`re going to have big problems. I have been pretty good at predicting things, John. We are going to have big problems. We have people coming into this country totally undocumented. They don`t know anything about them.

They don`t have paperwork. I interviewed and talked to <the> best law enforcement people in <the> business. There`s no way of knowing where they come from. And we`re taking them in from <the> so-called migration. They are being sent all over <the> country. We have people that don`t know what they`re doing. And we have to stop it.

DICKERSON: My question is, if it were a Muslim judge, would you also feel like they wouldn`t be able to treat you fairly because of that policy of yours?

TRUMP: It`s possible, yes. Yes. That would be possible, absolutely.

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-na ... 016-trump/

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