How Islam Destroyed Its Own Golden Age

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22 Jul 2018, 11:48 pm

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Why did the Islamic Golden Age end? A lot of people blame Genghis Khan, but that could not possibly have been the only factor. Islamic fundamentalists also helped to end the Islamic Golden Age and plunge the Middle East into anti-intellectual darkness. Also, many of those Middle Eastern scientists who lived in Islamic countries were atheists or agnostics.

"If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."
- Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi

Could this happen in the West? Is the Western Golden Age on the verge of collapse? Will our fundamentalists ruin everything?

Think about that.

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23 Jul 2018, 2:49 am

Fundamentalists will only think about it to further strengthen their determination to spill the blood of those who question their faith. And they have every right to—it's called religious freedom.

Democracy is two heathens and a fundie voting on whether heathens are to be used as human torches to light the fundie's backyard. Liberty is a well-armed fundie contesting the vote.

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23 Jul 2018, 4:35 am

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That is a very interesting point. Notice, the opposition to The Theory of Evolution, for instance. I never really liked Creationism.

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23 Jul 2018, 8:18 am

As long as we can communicate freely, freedom of thought will endure.

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23 Jul 2018, 8:26 am

I wonder if the Fall of Constantinople ended the Islamic Golden Age.

This is around the time Europeans began to be as inquisitive as the Muslims had been previously.

Something tells me the Ottoman Empire stifled Islamic curiosity.

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23 Jul 2018, 12:24 pm

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That is a very interesting point. Notice, the opposition to The Theory of Evolution, for instance. I never really liked Creationism.

Fun Fact: A lot of Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East think that evolution was made up by Christians in their war against Islam.

Overall, a lot of Middle Eastern Muslims have a very poor understanding of Christianity, just as many Western Christians have a poor understanding of Islam.

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24 Jul 2018, 6:02 am

The "Islamic" Golden Age was due to secular Arab and Persian freethinkers and savants, whom most were executed, burned or jailed by the regime or fundies.

It was not thanks to Islam per se.

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24 Jul 2018, 6:06 am

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Could this happen in the West? Is the Western Golden Age on the verge of collapse? Will our fundamentalists ruin everything?

Yes, if the Christian fundies keep having children far more than secular people, then you will end up with a Christian fundie civilization.

Look at countries like Brazil for example, they are not doing well.

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24 Jul 2018, 9:40 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

The "Islamic" Golden Age was due to secular Arab and Persian freethinkers and savants, whom most were executed, burned or jailed by the regime or fundies. It was not thanks to Islam per se.

Yes, it was not the religion, but the people who followed it -- it's like blaming the shooter, and not the NRA, for mass murders -- the results are still the same, however.

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27 Jul 2018, 8:38 am

Fnord wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

The "Islamic" Golden Age was due to secular Arab and Persian freethinkers and savants, whom most were executed, burned or jailed by the regime or fundies. It was not thanks to Islam per se.

Yes, it was not the religion, but the people who followed it -- it's like blaming the shooter, and not the NRA, for mass murders -- the results are still the same, however.

You completely missed my point; those savants were not really religious or wouldn’t even be considered Muslims by definition. They just happened to be born in caliphate times.

What i mean that Islam wasn’t the real reason behind the middle eastern golden age.

Think of Leonardo da Vinci, it is not Europe’s Christianity that made him a genius, nor it contributed in his inventions.

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27 Jul 2018, 8:59 am

Translation: They taught us in schools that Medieval Europe, in their darkest era, was used to accuse their thinkers of blasphemy yet they forget that....

Ibn al-Muqaffa was cut in pieces...his limbs were cut, one by one, and burned before his eyes, till he died.
and Al Suhrawardī was killed...
and Ja'd ibn Dirham was slayed....
and Lisan ad-Din ibn al-Khatib was suffocated...
and the books of the Al Asfahani and Ibn el Rushd had been burned...

and those were all declared as kafirs: Al Kanadi, Al Farabi, Al Razi, Ibn Sina, Ibn Battouta, Al Idrissi, Ibn Khaldoun, Ibn Hayan, Bashar bin Bard, Al Khwarizmi, Ibn el Rushd, Al Jahiz, Al Sahroudi, Rabi'a al-'Adawiyya, Al Ghazali, Al Ma'arri, Ibn el Fared, Alhazen, Ibn el Rawandi, al Tawhidi, and Omr el Khiyam...and ...and ...and...

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27 Jul 2018, 9:01 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Fnord wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

The "Islamic" Golden Age was due to secular Arab and Persian freethinkers and savants, whom most were executed, burned or jailed by the regime or fundies. It was not thanks to Islam per se.

Yes, it was not the religion, but the people who followed it -- it's like blaming the shooter, and not the NRA, for mass murders -- the results are still the same, however.

You completely missed my point...

No, I almost completely ignored it, having my own point to make.

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