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21 Jun 2016, 10:11 am

Back in back in the old days when I was a teen there was a random doobie that an idiot laced with PCP.Nasty,nasty stuff.I don't think people do that anymore.Some of the pressed junk from Mexico gets soaked in formaldehyde.Best to avoid imports.Buy American.lol


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21 Jun 2016, 11:07 am

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Some of the greatest discoveries and inventions in our time were by people under the influence of drugs.
http://theantimedia.org/scientist-tripp ... vered-dna/


Steve Jobs stopped taking LSD once Apple got started. But a lot of talented musicians make great music while on the drugs - Kurt Cobain being one, Jimi Hendrix, but they had crappy endings.

I always wanted to be a greeting card writer for Hallmark and I have made some really fantastic greeting cards (according to other people) when I'm drunk. Of course it has never went anywhere. During my 10 yrs of being sober, I went to nursing school. Got back on alcohol again with my first night job to help me sleep and never really did much more with my life. Now, I'm off of all alcohol and back in school to maybe become a nurse practitioner - I guess we'll see. In my experience, I've done more with my life when I'm not using any substances - and I'm in better health too. I hated being sick from hangovers, constant heartburn and since I stopped drinking I've had no more problems with my IBS and gastroparesis. :) Another thing, Trump helps me to stay sober - he's never had a drink of alcohol in his life.

Here's an article I found and Steve Jobs is mentioned in it too:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisbarth/ ... e30ecf5ba3

Time for homework. :mrgreen:


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21 Jun 2016, 1:04 pm

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Chef Ramsey wouldn't go for that surely?! 8O


Yeah, he seems more like a key bump in the car before filming starts kind of guy... :lol:

He is kind of the poster boy for someone who could use a bit of mellowing out in the kitchen, hot-boxing the walk in freezer might do him some good.


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21 Jun 2016, 1:52 pm

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All drugs should be legal no exceptions, if you can't handle it and off yourself then the gene pool got a little stronger


I'm sure that Michael, Prince, and a whole lot of other "gene pool defectives" would agree with you if they were alive.

Where did you learn this bit of wisdom? I know you're WAY smarter than this.

Here are some more dead people that would have agreed with you:

Name Age Date Location Name of drug
Alan Wilson
Canned Heat 27 September 3, 1970 Topanga Canyon, California, USA Barbiturate
Jimi Hendrix
The Jimi Hendrix Experience 27 September 18, 1970 London, England Barbiturate
Janis Joplin 27 October 4, 1970 Los Angeles, California, USA Heroin
Jim Morrison
The Doors 27 July 3, 1971 Paris, France Suspected heroin
Brian Cole
The Association 29 August 2, 1972 Los Angeles, California, USA Heroin
Rory Storm 34 28 September 1972 Liverpool, England Alcohol and sleeping pills
Billy Murcia
New York Dolls 21 November 6, 1972 London, England Methaqualone [1]
Danny Whitten
Crazy Horse 29 November 18, 1972 Los Angeles, California, USA Valium and alcohol
Gram Parsons
The Byrds 26 September 19, 1973 Joshua Tree, California, USA Morphine and alcohol
Zeke Zettner
The Stooges 25 November 10, 1973 Heroin
Nick Drake 26 November 25, 1974 Tanworth-in-Arden, Warwickshire, England Amitriptyline
Tim Buckley 28 June 29, 1975 Santa Monica, California, USA Heroin, morphine, and alcohol
Gary Thain
Uriah Heep 27 December 8, 1975 Norwood Green, England Heroin
Tommy Bolin
Deep Purple 25 December 4, 1976 Miami, Florida, USA Heroin, cocaine and alcohol
Elvis Presley 42 August 16, 1977 Memphis, Tennessee, USA Assorted
Here's some more:

Name Age Date Location Name of drug
Bon Scott
AC/DC 33 February 19, 1980 East Dulwich, London, England Alcohol
John Bonham
Led Zeppelin 32 September 25, 1980 Clewer, Berkshire, England Alcohol
Darby Crash
Germs 22 December 7, 1980 Los Angeles, California, USA Heroin
Tim Hardin 39 December 29, 1980 Los Angeles, California, USA Heroin
Mike Bloomfield 37 February 15, 1981 San Francisco, California, USA Heroin
Lester Bangs 33 April 30, 1982 New York City, New York, USA Darvon, valium and nyquil
James Honeyman-Scott
Pretenders 25 16 June 1982 London, England Cocaine
Pete Farndon
Pretenders 30 April 14, 1983 London, England Heroin
Paul Gardiner
Tubeway Army 25 4 February 1984 Northolt, Middlesex, England Heroin
Gary Holton
Heavy Metal Kids 33 25 October 1985 London, England Morphine and alcohol

This list goes on and on. Please add any name you wish if you think they agreed with Jacoby before they died.



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21 Jun 2016, 2:22 pm

All those people killed themselves by using drugs irresponsibly, a drug is inanimate object that doesn't act on its own fruition. Prohibition surely contributed to some of their deaths, there is nothing good about our current drug laws. It sucks losing entertainers but I don't think their celebrity is evidence of anything besides a lot of them become spoiled and lose self control when they come into a ton of money and are accountable to no one. Their celebrity oftentimes fuels their drug addiction, you have hanger ons and no real accountability so it's not surprising to me.

I could get heroin probably with in an hour or two, it's really not that hard. I don't, that's because I don't want to do heroin! The law has no impact on that, I don't want to do it because I seen what it can do people and it doesn't look all that fun anyways. I could drink every day, I could kill myself doing but I DON'T because self interests dictates that I won't. I think think most people value themselves more than that, I don't believe people will act completely out of their self interest and kill themselves en masse any more than they are now. Again, it's really easy to get these drugs, maybe not in small town America but in the city it's everywhere.



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21 Jun 2016, 2:31 pm

Not to be outdone, plenty of literary giants had made use of substances while writing. William Burroughs was a heroin addict, Charles Bukowski and Jack Kerouac were raging alcoholics, Poe loved his alcohol and laudanum, even Stephen King has opened up about his alcoholism and drug abuse, and so on, and so forth.


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21 Jun 2016, 3:10 pm

Jacoby wrote:
All those people killed themselves by using drugs irresponsibly, a drug is inanimate object that doesn't act on its own fruition. Prohibition surely contributed to some of their deaths, there is nothing good about our current drug laws. It sucks losing entertainers but I don't think their celebrity is evidence of anything besides a lot of them become spoiled and lose self control when they come into a ton of money and are accountable to no one. Their celebrity oftentimes fuels their drug addiction, you have hanger ons and no real accountability so it's not surprising to me.

I could get heroin probably with in an hour or two, it's really not that hard. I don't, that's because I don't want to do heroin! The law has no impact on that, I don't want to do it because I seen what it can do people and it doesn't look all that fun anyways. I could drink every day, I could kill myself doing but I DON'T because self interests dictates that I won't. I think think most people value themselves more than that, I don't believe people will act completely out of their self interest and kill themselves en masse any more than they are now. Again, it's really easy to get these drugs, maybe not in small town America but in the city it's everywhere.


The only way for accidental overdoses to not happen would be to legalize all drugs and regulate their use which would tell a person how much of the drug is safe to take, etc. No user actually knows how much of a drug is ok for them - it's all trial and error. However, this will never happen because drugs like cocaine, heroin and LSD have no real medical use like marijuana does for nausea, etc. If you legalize drugs like heroin and not regulate its use, then the heroin epidemic is just going to get worse than what it already is. I don't even think that the narcan pens should have been made because it's just saying that heroin use is ok. These kids that are learning how to use this pen, if it's because their parents are on the crap then the kids should be taken away from them.

And in these states where marijuana is legal, can you just buy it someplace like a liquor store? Honestly, it must not be too easy to get illegal drugs because I wouldn't have a clue of where I could find any heroin or cocaine right now. And I've watched the show "Intervention" and those people can't always score drugs when they want to. Alcohol? I can get it in 5 min and I don't even have to use my car - it's within walking distance.


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21 Jun 2016, 3:30 pm

Legalization and regulation is what I support, heroin users would benefit greatly being taken out of the dark and given a consistent product that won't kill them because it's a hot dose or whatever. Needle exchanges are effective, so much of what kills you with heroin doesn't really have to do with it being an opiate but rather a completely unregulated unsafe product. What has medicinal usages is also up for debate in my opinion, they've say cannabis has absolutely zero medical use as it a schedule 1 drug unlike heroin and cocaine believe it or not which are schedule 2!

Stop ruining people's lives because of drugs, if they ruin their own lives then that is on them and it shouldn't be a police matter whatsoever. Our country would be richer, healthier, safer, and even more free as a result! I don't know how anybody could oppose it.

Finding heroin is as easy as finding a heroin junkie btw, finding drugs is far easier for many teenagers to get their hands on than alcohol. Regulation and taking it out of the black market is what saves people and stops the children from getting it, a lot of drugs dealers don't care dealing to a kid or pregnant woman or anybody but if their was regulations their access would be way lessened in all actuality.

Legalizing drugs makes them much much safer for the user, it would save thousands of lives.



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21 Jun 2016, 5:36 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Legalization and regulation is what I support, heroin users would benefit greatly being taken out of the dark and given a consistent product that won't kill them because it's a hot dose or whatever. Needle exchanges are effective, so much of what kills you with heroin doesn't really have to do with it being an opiate but rather a completely unregulated unsafe product. What has medicinal usages is also up for debate in my opinion, they've say cannabis has absolutely zero medical use as it a schedule 1 drug unlike heroin and cocaine believe it or not which are schedule 2!

Stop ruining people's lives because of drugs, if they ruin their own lives then that is on them and it shouldn't be a police matter whatsoever. Our country would be richer, healthier, safer, and even more free as a result! I don't know how anybody could oppose it.

Finding heroin is as easy as finding a heroin junkie btw, finding drugs is far easier for many teenagers to get their hands on than alcohol. Regulation and taking it out of the black market is what saves people and stops the children from getting it, a lot of drugs dealers don't care dealing to a kid or pregnant woman or anybody but if their was regulations their access would be way lessened in all actuality.

Legalizing drugs makes them much much safer for the user, it would save thousands of lives.


I couldn't agree more.

The one thing I might add would be better and honest public education. Learning in grade school happens now but with correct information and your ideas combined we might have something. :D



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21 Jun 2016, 11:33 pm

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Chef Ramsey wouldn't go for that surely?! 8O


Yeah, he seems more like a key bump in the car before filming starts kind of guy... :lol:

He is kind of the poster boy for someone who could use a bit of mellowing out in the kitchen, hot-boxing the walk in freezer might do him some good.

He could whup up some ganja goodies with pot butter,that would mellow him out.


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22 Jun 2016, 2:45 am

nurseangela wrote:
However, this will never happen because drugs like cocaine, heroin and LSD have no real medical use like marijuana does for nausea, etc.

Well... as for LSD:

Hendricks et al. (2015) wrote:
Mental health problems are endemic across the globe, and suicide, a strong corollary of poor mental health, is a leading cause of death. Classic psychedelic use may occasion lasting improvements in mental health, but the effects of classic psychedelic use on suicidality are unknown. We evaluated the relationships of classic psychedelic use with psychological distress and suicidality among over 190,000 USA adult respondents pooled from the last five available years of the National Survey on Drug Use and Health (2008–2012) while controlling for a range of covariates. Lifetime classic psychedelic use was associated with a significantly reduced odds of past month psychological distress (weighted odds ratio (OR)=0.81 (0.72–0.91)), past year suicidal thinking (weighted OR=0.86 (0.78–0.94)), past year suicidal planning (weighted OR=0.71 (0.54–0.94)), and past year suicide attempt (weighted OR=0.64 (0.46–0.89)), whereas lifetime illicit use of other drugs was largely associated with an increased likelihood of these outcomes. These findings indicate that classic psychedelics may hold promise in the prevention of suicide, supporting the view that classic psychedelics’ most highly restricted legal status should be reconsidered to facilitate scientific study, and suggesting that more extensive clinical research with classic psychedelics is warranted.

Source:
Hendricks, Peter S., et al. "Classic psychedelic use is associated with reduced psychological distress and suicidality in the United States adult population." Journal of Psychopharmacology 29.3 (2015): 280-288.
http://www.ouramazingworld.org/uploads/ ... lation.pdf

... which illustrates the dangers of takingnot taking LSD.



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22 Jun 2016, 3:26 am

Alas. I'd like to find just one person who is not on some kind of mind altering substance. Actually, I do know one - my friend Julia!


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22 Jun 2016, 11:34 am

I wouldn't advise anyone take LSD. Real LSD is pretty much non-existent now from what I heard. You'd be better off taking peyote, which is much safer to begin with.



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22 Jun 2016, 4:30 pm

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BeakyBird, very thoughtful post earlier in the thread. Thanks for sharing the details about marijuana's spiritual origins and how that relates to religion today. Very interesting. :) I would still say that marijuana use today has little to do with spirituality, but I guess today's context doesn't matter to the religious.

Re: addiction, according to the study cited in this thread, which was also quite interesting, addiction estimates are around nine percent of users, followed by alcohol in the low twenties, then cocaine, then heroin, and then tobacco at 67 percent. I had no idea. There's also info in the study about the different strains of marijuana and their effects, as well as the vulnerability to addiction of people with mental health conditions. If I had known that the addiction rate for alcohol was that high, I might never have tried it. Turns out that I'm pretty sensitive to alcohol anyway, so I won't ever be an alcoholic.


The trouble with the idea people with mental health conditions are more prone to addiction is much of the time its not so much they necessarily more prone to addiction...however they are more likely to self medicate in an attempt to alleviate symptoms than people without a mental health condition, which could lead to addiction depending on the substance and amount of usage.


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22 Jun 2016, 4:42 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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If it's legal, what about "second-hand smoke"?

There are people who work jobs in which -- by state law-- they cannot have any "dope" in their bodies.

For example, "school bus drivers" get random drug tests, and are fired if there is any trace of dope in their bodies.


I see no reason why, except for medical marijuana, the same restrictions against smoking tobacco in public should not be used. Over time people will realize and accept medical marijuana is more than getting high, and hopefully will amend or adjust for trace amounts.

In the case of a bus driver (etc.) it would be the same as would be the case of alcohol consumption.

I see no reason why, except for medical marijuana, the same restrictions against smoking tobacco in public should not be used. Over time people will realize and accept medical marijuana is more than getting high, and hopefully will amend or adjust for trace amounts.

Any more suggestions?

Your response does not address the concern though.

Let's say you work as a school bus driver, and right before your afternoon shift, on your lunch break, you catch a wiff of second-hand pot, and as a non-smoker you have very low tolerance , will your judgement be impaired ?

Has that second-hand smoke just put the lives of children at risk?

There's weed out there strong enough to get someone stoned from just a whiff?!?Where?Sounds like some good s**t.lol
I doubt anyone is going to get f****d up from just smelling pot.The unfairness of drug tests is that THC stays in the body for weeks after smoking.So someone could fail a pee test from smoking a doobie on their day off.That's not going to impair their driving on Monday morning.


If it was legalized nationally the drug test wouldn't test for pot...also yeah I want to find some of this stuff that gets you stoned with one whiff, that would have to be some really good s**t.


Alcohol is legal and the drug tests test for alcohol. Some companies randomly test for drugs and alcohol is a part of that test. I got drug tested for my job. Just because a drug is legal doesn't mean it's exempt from drug tests.


I haven't heard of anyone failing a pre-employment drug test for alcohol, unless they decided to binge drink the night before and go in still half drunk but I don't know anyone that stupid. Whereas with cannabis you could have smoked it 5 days ago, yet you can test positive for much longer. basically a drug test doesn't imply 'this person goes to work high' if they test positive for cannabis. All a drug test does is invade peoples privacy and hassle responsible cannabis users who don't smoke at work or before work since they can still fail.

Don't be stupid and be high/drunk at work is what I think the rule should be, and I could even see maybe a drug test if they give reason for the employer to believe they are impaired. But otherwise it's just an invasion of privacy.


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22 Jun 2016, 8:22 pm

Cannabis really is the only so called drug that stays in your system any amount of time, you be out of your mind on coke or meth a day or two before and still pass a drug test since it simply leaves your system so much quicker and the same is true with liquor. Drug tests are pretty much totally useless beyond punishing pot smokers. You're not high for weeks, it just shows up in drug tests.