Could the Republican Party ever be responsible for deaths?

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I heard someone arguing on the radio recently that this party has been, at least negligent when it comes to gun crime, at best complicit in the death of thousands. Whether or not they could ever be legally is another matter, but like the UK government on drugs, which throws all scientific evidence straight out with a baby and bathwater and regardless of how many deaths it pushes on. But, at least, in that case, it is accidental death, not pushed upon one externally just because a fumbling ideologue sells death as a raffle prize! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... wo-8198012

...seriously.

No, because then the Constitution would be responsible for deaths. The Republican Party is only defending the Constitution, and what is Americans' rights.

Probably, although the same could be said for the dempcratic party because mass shootings tend to happen in gun free zones. In this case I disagree with both parties' linear reasoning, too much gun control is bad but some is necessary.

Extending this line of fallacious reasoning ("Reductio Ad Absurdium") one step further makes us all responsible for even a single firearm-related death, and absolves the shooters of murder.

It may be in the constitution but they are deliberately ignoring evidence.

WHAT evidence, please?

And so is the democratic party.

Last edited by mikeman7918 on 18 Jun 2016, 10:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Thank you. Keeping and bearing fire arms is a Constitutional Right (second amendment). It is not a privilege granted to the fortunate few. The Liberals have worked a long time to convince the public that private ownership and use of fire arms is some kind of an Evil Thing. No it isn't. Self Defense is a natural right. Therefore access to the means of self defense must also be a right.

Denying firearm ownership because few nut cakes do terrible things is like denying the use of automobiles to the general public because of a few drunk drivers.

As I've stated elsewhere, "Shared Guilt" is a collectivist idea that is used to rationalize away the guilt of an individual as if his or her actions were directed by everyone else.

The concept of "Shared Guilt" is the root of bigotry, as well. It is used by racists to blame all people of one skin color, culture, or national origin for the crimes of a few individuals; such as blaming all Jews for the death of Jesus, or all middle-easterners for the death of Daniel Pearl. It is used by sexists to blame all women for a few rejections, or all men for one rape.

The Republican Party is no more responsible for the murders of 49 people at an Orlando nightclub than all alligators are responsible for the death of one boy at an Orlando theme park.

For that matter, all citizens of Orlando are not responsible for any of these deaths.

There is no "Shared Guilt" under the Law, which recognizes only individual responsibility. This is why "I was just following orders" is no excuse for committing heinous crimes.

Guns like the AR-15 should not be this easy to get your hands on though.

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists ... nutes.html

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/06/18 ... inutes.cnn

When you've only got 10 minutes to kill...

The only people responsible for violent crimes are the people who commit them.

Why not? For the amount of AR-15's sold in this country, (Not to mention AKM's) the amount used to commit crimes is incredibly small, when considering the amount of them that are out there sitting in people's closets.

Pistols are more often used in violent crimes.

OP do us all a favor and stay in the UK. We don't need more progressives over here. There is more than enough as it is.

The people who buy assault rifles, sniper rifles, and stuff like that tend to be hobbyists more then anything. My 17 year old brother has an AK-47, he doesn't plan on killing anyone with it and it's locked up most of the time and he can't really inconspicuously carry something like that for self defense, he has it because he loves guns. He takes it out to the shooting range sometimes and it's a part of his gun collection. I am willing to bet that for every bullet fired at a person there are at least a million bullets fired at a target on a shooting range.

Republicans may be ignoring a ton of evidence on the climate change issue, but I do mostly agree with them about gun control. A little is a good thing to keep guns out of the hands of those who are irresponsible with them, but if someone has malice intent then the best way to keep them from shooting anyone is to arm their potential victims to level the playing field and scare off potential shooters with the prospect of being shot by someone with a concealed firearm. Many drugs are also illegal and yet people can still purchase them, the law only enacts a punishment if someone is caught doing something, it does not make it impossible. If you think that a killer would be against using the black market or using some other weapon then think again. Before guns existed people had no trouble killing, so it stands to reason that even if taking away every single gun were possible it would not change anything.

Very possibly, but not necessarily for the gun thing. I'm more likely to point an accusing finger at the GOP for marginalizing and demonizing LGBT Americans, which had created such an air of homophobia that might have contributed to the Orlando massacre.

This is ridiculous, you folks need to go to the gun range or something and educate yourself.