Why is it so hard being conservative anywhere?

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12 Jun 2016, 11:11 am

I can't accept this anymore and I feel like I have no recourse. I'm sick about hearing and suffering through all the destruction liberals have done to America. Maybe I should go die in a hole because I can't get along with anybody with a different political view.

I really feel dispirited. Conservatives are only defined by what they are against. Even conservatives in other parts of the world are more centrist than America is.

This truly sucks. I can't wait for conservatives to make inroads again. But, I think God hates them and wants them to be miserable today. Don't push me to think otherwise.



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12 Jun 2016, 11:55 am

Just wait it out,read the news and influence things where you can, things are unraveling rather quickly for our liberal overlords. This state of affairs is increasingly looking like the Weimar Republic. I'm not saying Hitler 2.0 is coming, I'm just saying lefties will be surprised how quickly the pendulum can swing back in the other direction when the people whose lives they ruin have had enough of it and suddenly they are the new hated group. To all liberal leaners it's time to delete any internet history you have left behind where you have endorsed anti-civic anti-conservative ideas, unless you want to be completely marginalised from any position of responsibility for the rest of your life.


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12 Jun 2016, 2:25 pm

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I would hope that the new hated group is just anyone who is Anti-White and wants White Genocide.


I don't understand what that means.



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12 Jun 2016, 2:38 pm

You might as well ask "why is it so hard being on the wrong side of history?"

The question answers itself.


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12 Jun 2016, 2:47 pm

Mikah wrote:
Just wait it out,read the news and influence things where you can, things are unraveling rather quickly for our liberal overlords. This state of affairs is increasingly looking like the Weimar Republic. I'm not saying Hitler 2.0 is coming, I'm just saying lefties will be surprised how quickly the pendulum can swing back in the other direction when the people whose lives they ruin have had enough of it and suddenly they are the new hated group. To all liberal leaners it's time to delete any internet history you have left behind where you have endorsed anti-civic anti-conservative ideas, unless you want to be completely marginalised from any position of responsibility for the rest of your life.


Just how have liberals ruined anyone's lives?


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12 Jun 2016, 3:11 pm

wilburforce wrote:
You might as well ask "why is it so hard being on the wrong side of history?"

The question answers itself.

Ah you SJWs and your wrong side of history... such arrogance.



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12 Jun 2016, 3:30 pm

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You might as well ask "why is it so hard being on the wrong side of history?"

The question answers itself.

Ah you SJWs and your wrong side of history... such arrogance.


Conservatives have opposed civil rights for blacks and other ethnic minorities, opposed civil rights for gays, are obsessed with where trans people go to the toilet, push the teaching of pseudoscience in lieu of evolution, opposed the expansion of the social safety net, etc. That's definitely being on the wrong side of history.


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12 Jun 2016, 3:32 pm

K_Kelly wrote:
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I would hope that the new hated group is just anyone who is Anti-White and wants White Genocide.
I don't understand what that means.
It's White Supremacist rhetoric, posted to invoke fear in white people and stir up conflict between whites and non-whites. Every single one of his posts has so far been reported.

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It's hard to be a Conservative because conservative people seem to adhere to strict standards of right and wrong in a world that adheres to the concepts of situational ethics and anti-judgmentalism.

And racist nutters aren't helping the situation at all.


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12 Jun 2016, 3:49 pm

Conservative is easy. It is just a way.

Political conservative party.. well if you are around intolerant sorts, find new hang out.
I have always been conservative even when I was young Democrat.
I always will be.
My friends are free to have their opinions. And if friends, I am free to have mine.

Now am I gonna go into a political discourse with drunks at a bar? Hell no. That is not debate, that is drama.


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12 Jun 2016, 4:51 pm

You need to be more specific as to where you're conservative, i.e. Are you a fiscal conservative, foreign policy hawk, social conservative, etc?


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12 Jun 2016, 6:19 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Mikah wrote:
Just wait it out,read the news and influence things where you can, things are unraveling rather quickly for our liberal overlords. This state of affairs is increasingly looking like the Weimar Republic. I'm not saying Hitler 2.0 is coming, I'm just saying lefties will be surprised how quickly the pendulum can swing back in the other direction when the people whose lives they ruin have had enough of it and suddenly they are the new hated group. To all liberal leaners it's time to delete any internet history you have left behind where you have endorsed anti-civic anti-conservative ideas, unless you want to be completely marginalised from any position of responsibility for the rest of your life.


Just how have liberals ruined anyone's lives?


Liberal thinking has created the welfare state. In the U.S. the main victims of welfare state thinking are the black underclass which has been kept in dependence on government largess primarily by liberals who think they are doing good. If you see someone who is intent on Doing Good, run for your life!


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12 Jun 2016, 8:24 pm

Well I Am fiscally conservative, but socially liberal, and I think our country should mind it's own business in foreign affairs.



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13 Jun 2016, 12:03 am

BaalChatzaf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Just wait it out,read the news and influence things where you can, things are unraveling rather quickly for our liberal overlords. This state of affairs is increasingly looking like the Weimar Republic. I'm not saying Hitler 2.0 is coming, I'm just saying lefties will be surprised how quickly the pendulum can swing back in the other direction when the people whose lives they ruin have had enough of it and suddenly they are the new hated group. To all liberal leaners it's time to delete any internet history you have left behind where you have endorsed anti-civic anti-conservative ideas, unless you want to be completely marginalised from any position of responsibility for the rest of your life.


Just how have liberals ruined anyone's lives?


Liberal thinking has created the welfare state. In the U.S. the main victims of welfare state thinking are the black underclass which has been kept in dependence on government largess primarily by liberals who think they are doing good. If you see someone who is intent on Doing Good, run for your life!


As if blacks were doing so swimmingly well prior to the so called welfare state.
By chance, are you actually Ruveyn comeback under a new name?


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13 Jun 2016, 7:43 am

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As if blacks were doing so swimmingly well prior to the so called welfare state.


(Uncle?) Thomas Sowell would say they were, in many ways.

The welfare state is a good example of something the left got wrong, I'd add to that list Marriage - they have utterly undermined it, to the detriment of millions of families and the untold suffering of children of divorced parents. The welfare state is linked to this, the reason you need such a vast system is the destruction of the traditional family.

Next on the list would be mass migration, not only does it displace people from jobs, but it destroys culture, both on a national level and locally, it has destroyed entire communities and working class subcultures. This combined with multiculturalism and the white oppressor narrative, has ensured the newcomers are entrenched, resistant to change and often outright hostile to the natives, the stage has been set for a brutal genocidal civil war that will affect all the (formerly?) white countries to one degree or another. Thanks again for that one Lefties.

I'm not sure how things are going in America, but in England another big thing on my list is the destruction of good education, the infiltration of educational institutions by radicals of the 60s generation. The moronic drive towards egalitarian education has dropped standards across the board. History, cultural and religious education has been watered down and reframed from the viewpoint of those same radicals. English people can do no right, more attention is spent on alien cultures and religions, completely ignoring our own heritage. As a result the majority of English people have been completely severed from their past, which was the point. Great, if you are a Marxist trying to rewrite history, but in this age of identity politics it drives people to racial identity politics - because there is nothing else that binds them. Thanks again for that Lefties.

All of these things are interconnected, all of them come from the ideological cultural revolutionaries that upturned Western civilisation a few decades ago.

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You need to be more specific as to where you're conservative, i.e. Are you a fiscal conservative, foreign policy hawk, social conservative, etc?


I can't speak for the OP but I am not a fiscal conservative, that utopian view of a country of Economic Men. There is something to be said for encouraging entrepreneurship, but pure capitalism is as abhorrent as pure socialism. The social conservative, which I am, does not mind welfare or nationalisation of industries, if it's correctly applied and there is good reason to do so. We distinguish between say using state funds to take care of widows vs women who become single mothers through their own terrible choices, in other words we make distinctions between true victims of circumstance and victims of their own stupidity or immorality, something the Left despise.


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13 Jun 2016, 2:57 pm

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As if blacks were doing so swimmingly well prior to the so called welfare state.


(Uncle?) Thomas Sowell would say they were, in many ways.

The welfare state is a good example of something the left got wrong, I'd add to that list Marriage - they have utterly undermined it, to the detriment of millions of families and the untold suffering of children of divorced parents. The welfare state is linked to this, the reason you need such a vast system is the destruction of the traditional family.

Next on the list would be mass migration, not only does it displace people from jobs, but it destroys culture, both on a national level and locally, it has destroyed entire communities and working class subcultures. This combined with multiculturalism and the white oppressor narrative, has ensured the newcomers are entrenched, resistant to change and often outright hostile to the natives, the stage has been set for a brutal genocidal civil war that will affect all the (formerly?) white countries to one degree or another. Thanks again for that one Lefties.

I'm not sure how things are going in America, but in England another big thing on my list is the destruction of good education, the infiltration of educational institutions by radicals of the 60s generation. The moronic drive towards egalitarian education has dropped standards across the board. History, cultural and religious education has been watered down and reframed from the viewpoint of those same radicals. English people can do no right, more attention is spent on alien cultures and religions, completely ignoring our own heritage. As a result the majority of English people have been completely severed from their past, which was the point. Great, if you are a Marxist trying to rewrite history, but in this age of identity politics it drives people to racial identity politics - because there is nothing else that binds them. Thanks again for that Lefties.

All of these things are interconnected, all of them come from the ideological cultural revolutionaries that upturned Western civilisation a few decades ago.

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You need to be more specific as to where you're conservative, i.e. Are you a fiscal conservative, foreign policy hawk, social conservative, etc?


I can't speak for the OP but I am not a fiscal conservative, that utopian view of a country of Economic Men. There is something to be said for encouraging entrepreneurship, but pure capitalism is as abhorrent as pure socialism. The social conservative, which I am, does not mind welfare or nationalisation of industries, if it's correctly applied and there is good reason to do so. We distinguish between say using state funds to take care of widows vs women who become single mothers through their own terrible choices, in other words we make distinctions between true victims of circumstance and victims of their own stupidity or immorality, something the Left despise.


Well, here in America, we had Jim Crow in the former slave states where most blacks resided, and things were definitely much worse for them.
And like it or not, current nations and ethnic groups are hardly permanent. In fact, they are only the results of prehistoric melting pots. And the process of assimilation and change can only continue, as that's the way humanity works.


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13 Jun 2016, 5:02 pm

Yes liberals alone are responsible for any destruction done to america...conservatives have no part whatsoever in any of it.