What do you think of this list of Trump's opinions?

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27 Jul 2016, 4:03 am

Someone handily created a list - https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpa ... trump_is_a - haven't checked out all its sources, but it seems to include a variety of newspapers from all political spectrums.



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27 Jul 2016, 6:19 am

Opinions and actions are 2 different things and politics has demonstrated this more than enough times.
Politicians pander to certain opinions and never follow through.

Some of those opinions are frightening, but not too much more than the actions of politicians who say only nice, fluffy things to make someone feel better.


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27 Jul 2016, 7:40 am

One little tidbit I learned the hard way: "Opinions are like a**holes: everybody has one." I've been told time and time again my opinion doesn't matter, so STFU.



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27 Jul 2016, 9:17 am

Oh, so... if voters think in that way then they're voting for him hoping he lies? Or are we talking non-supporters hoping? I assume the party subscribes to a some/all of those opinions, but which, I wonder...



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27 Jul 2016, 10:03 am

Depends on which issue and which day he is talking about that issue. He is very um "flexable", even by politician "standards".


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27 Jul 2016, 10:34 am

Try to be more hysterical, maybe you'll give yourself an aneurysm.

Should we make 'a list' for Hillary? I mean, there already are a few lists floating around out there...

Almost everything on there is nonsense, misquotes, red herrings, just pure misinformation.



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27 Jul 2016, 10:47 am

Jacoby wrote:
Should we make 'a list' for Hillary? I mean, there already are a few lists floating around out there...


Except on Reddit.


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27 Jul 2016, 11:04 am

Jacoby wrote:
Try to be more hysterical, maybe you'll give yourself an aneurysm.

Should we make 'a list' for Hillary? I mean, there already are a few lists floating around out there...

Almost everything on there is nonsense, misquotes, red herrings, just pure misinformation.

What would Trump need to do or say in order to lose your support? What would convince you that he had done those things?

I agree that you shouldn't read too much into endorsements by extremists, but most of the quotes seem watertight. One or two just seem like he's failed at the PR aspect of politics (e.g. the "I wouldn't nuke Europe but I can't rule it out" one) but most of them are both genuine quotes, in their proper context, saying utterly horrific things.



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27 Jul 2016, 1:18 pm

"x supports Donald Trump" or "Donald Trump didn't repudiate the support of x" aren't arguments to me

that's like half that list right there

I don't think Trump's immigration plan is unconstitutional and in fact the first link under that the article literally says that in the title, I didn't look at every article on the list but I'm sure there are others like this on list.

His statements on ISIS are what they are, what he says isn't any different than what previous presidents have done with the only difference is that Trump is honest and upfront about it. When you are forced to a fight a war then you fight to win, their is no humanitarian or 'legal' way of doing it, bombing civilians sounds awful but that's what we did in WWII against the Nazi Germans and Japanese. ISIS has not gained control of so much territory with the support of a significant amount of the people, the Anbar province was the one that always gave US troops the most trouble.

Taking the oil in Iraq and Libya makes a hell of a lot more sense than at best leaving the oil to rot and more likely put in the hands of an enemy, we spent so much money and given up too many lives over there all for nothing. We should of never removed Saddam or especially Gaddafi in the first place, we're reaping what we sow in those countries now. I wish we could be self sufficient as far energy goes so then we could glass every oil field they have. ISIS still sells a tremendous amount of oil and it's going somewhere, it's absolutely disgusting. The Caliphate must be destroyed, the radical Islam which spawned it must be destroyed.

Trump questioning of NATO and other so called alliances is music to my ears, they do not their own weight and quite frankly I have no interest in a mutual defense pact with most of the countries in NATO especially the ones they've added since the end of the Cold War. Georgia and Bosnia? I don't care enough to start WWIII over them push come to shove, playing world police should not be our job. How many of these countries have made an equal contribution to the War on Terror? Very very few. If Japan and South Korea need nuclear weapons then I don't care, why should I? North Korea has nukes, China has nukes, and the US has nukes parked over there so what difference does it make? If they want us to defend them then we should be compensated otherwise they should do it themselves. We can't keep the world frozen, we can't preserve the world order that came after WWII forever. If the peoples of the world want America to be a warrior nation then you have to pay tribute to be entitled for protection I think, I'd just as soon ignore the world beyond our borders as so much to worry about here at home.

Rapprochement with Russia is the utmost importance to me, they have 10k nuclear warheads so peace with them makes the world safer. Peace with Russia means we can face our common enemies together, we might actually be able to win! Putin is no more a dictator than a lot of our so called allies, his human rights abuses don't compare to say Saudi Arabia and to be honest we're not someone to speak from some elevated moral position as we have plenty of own abuses. The sabrerattling against Russia has been ridiculous, we've been in a full blown propaganda war now for years. No more George Soros, no more 'democracy building.'



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02 Aug 2016, 8:35 pm

I don`t care. :evil:



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02 Aug 2016, 8:44 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
I don`t care. :evil:


You apparently care enough to post about it in a good dozen threads or so...


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02 Aug 2016, 8:47 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
What would Trump need to do or say in order to lose your support?


I think you could ask that of any partisan and get a similarly defensive response, beating the other side is the only issue that matters. I'm hardly innocent, I'm Trump tolerant because he's the only thing standing between Hillary and the White House, an intolerable situation for me, but I at least don't hold any illusions about the man.


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02 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm

Dox47 wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
I don`t care. :evil:


You apparently care enough to post about it in a good dozen threads or so...


To be fair there has been probably been like 40 or more threads about Trump created in the last month, more than half of which are from one particular poster I should add.



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03 Aug 2016, 3:47 am

Can't do much except ask relevant questions, Jacoby, especially when you have the nerve to mention Nazis and blissfully ignore most points on that list which could easily lend your candidate a position as a right-hand man. With him, the world will honestly ask whether some pseudo-state is more dangerous than almost an entire continent handed to some megalomaniac.