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23 Aug 2016, 4:58 pm

Violence at polling stations often seems to happen around the world, although mostly in unstable developing countries...

...and then there's http://www.peoplesworld.org/civil-right ... -the-polls: "go down to certain areas and watch and study" (it's not studying for a degree presumably) - http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... rs-n636136: "urged supporters to challenge voters at polling sites nationwide".

It seems because of Shelby County v. Holder no one at the federal level is going to be sent out, for the first time weirdly (although supposedly the Department of Justice "will not hesitate to take swift enforcement action—using every legal tool that remains available to us—against any jurisdiction that seeks to take advantage of the Supreme Court's ruling by hindering eligible citizens' full and free exercise of the franchise"), so international observers are being asked for (although Greg Abbott, then the Republican Attorney General of Texas — he's now the state's governor — threatened to arrest OSCE monitors sent to his state. Seriously, WTF?) Why was the Voting Rights Act weakened? And this was before before intimidation happened in the past

Jon Greenbaum, chief counsel of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said that because of the decision, "[m]inority voters in places with a record of discrimination are now at greater risk of being disenfranchised than they have been in decades" and that their only recourse will be to pursue expensive litigation. "Judges looked at the evidence in those cases and found little evidence of fraud. Instead, courts ruled, the states passed restrictive laws with surgical precision to exclude certain voters, including minorities, students, and the elderly."

How ironic that he's supposed to be worried about tampering, when practically encouraging it. Under normal circumstances, though, being struck by lightning is more likely, supposedly (i.e. the real fraud are the words that instigate, the actions that intimidate). So, as with the silent nod for murder, is this a nod to actively interfere with individual voters?



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24 Aug 2016, 9:13 am

I think you are talking about republican efforts at voter suppression, a persistent problem in certain areas, and the probability of there being some effort at voter suppression somewhere in the country approach 100%, but this could only make a difference in a very close election. At the moment, it doesn't look like a close election is going to happen.

The more serious risk is tampering with electronic votes after they have been cast. That is a mess no one seems to be adequately addressing or taking action against.


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24 Aug 2016, 10:39 am

Adamantium wrote:
I think you are talking about republican efforts at voter suppression, a persistent problem in certain areas, and the probability of there being some effort at voter suppression somewhere in the country approach 100%, but this could only make a difference in a very close election. At the moment, it doesn't look like a close election is going to happen.

The more serious risk is tampering with electronic votes after they have been cast. That is a mess no one seems to be adequately addressing or taking action against.

An even more serious risk is gerrymandered electoral districts... but this kind of tampering is *legal*, so it is unsurprisingly widespread...

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Nope... nothing fishy here...



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24 Aug 2016, 11:24 am

Hacking electronic voting machines is a bigger threat then all the traditional methods mentioned above. Time magazine reported a few weeks ago that Russia has the ability, willingness, and motive to do so. They mentioned a scenario in which Russian hacking produces a result in which Trump wins by 20 percent in California and a couple of other states. While the method is new the motive would be old, a psych op to destroy the the confidence and moral and of an adversary.


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24 Aug 2016, 3:18 pm

Can they do that with stations all over the country, though? I read that there isn't a single, centralized system, so at least it won't be easy to do anything to them all, but if they're even connected to an intranet...

Also, GGPViper, what difference does that make specifically since it seems to have had a mixture of political parties anyway? Also, it's not clear if it was like that in 1843 or just since 2013...



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24 Aug 2016, 3:49 pm

Mootoo wrote:
Can they do that with stations all over the country, though? I read that there isn't a single, centralized system, so at least it won't be easy to do anything to them all, but if they're even connected to an intranet...

Also, GGPViper, what difference does that make specifically since it seems to have had a mixture of political parties anyway? Also, it's not clear if it was like that in 1843 or just since 2013...


Gerrymandering goes way back. It was named for a district map in 1812.

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There is a decent write up at wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

A Google search would be effective, if you wanted to learn more.


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25 Aug 2016, 2:38 am

Mootoo wrote:
Can they do that with stations all over the country, though? I read that there isn't a single, centralized system, so at least it won't be easy to do anything to them all, but if they're even connected to an intranet...


The scenario does not involve putting malware in every machine just doing it a few states which means infiltrating one or several companies to further undermine confidence in the electoral system.

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Avi Rubin, Professor of Computer Science at Johns Hopkins University and Technical Director of the Information Security Institute has analyzed the source code used in these voting machines and reports "this voting system is far below even the most minimal security standards applicable in other contexts."[12] Following the publication of this paper, the State of Maryland hired Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) to perform another analysis of the Diebold voting machines. SAIC concluded “[t]he system, as implemented in policy, procedure, and technology, is at high risk of compromise.”[13]

The company RABA did a security analysis of the Diebold AccuVote in January 2004 confirming many of the problems found by Avi Rubin and finding some new vulnerabilities.[14]

In June 2005, the Tallahassee Democrat reported that when given access to Diebold optical scan vote-counting computers, Black Box Voting, a nonprofit election watchdog group founded by Bev Harris, hired Finnish computer expert Harri Hursti and conducted a project in which vote totals were altered, by replacing the memory card that stores voting results with one that had been tampered with. Although the machines are supposed to record changes to data stored in the system, they showed no record of tampering after the memory cards were swapped. In response, a spokesperson for the Department of State said that, "Information on a blog site is not viable or credible."[15]

In early 2006, a study for the state of California corroborated and expanded on the problem;[16] on page 2 the California report states that:

"Memory card attacks are a real threat: We determined that anyone who has access to a memory card of the AV-OS, and can tamper it (i.e. modify its contents), and can have the modified cards used in a voting machine during election, can indeed modify the election results from that machine in a number of ways. The fact that the results are incorrect cannot be detected except by a recount of the original paper ballots" and "Harri Hursti's attack does work: Mr. Hursti's attack on the AV-OS is definitely real. He was indeed able to change the election results by doing nothing more than modifying the contents of a memory card. He needed no passwords, no cryptographic keys, and no access to any other part of the voting system, including the GEMS election management server."

A new vulnerability, this time with the TSx DRE machines, was reported in May 2006. According to Professor Rubin, the machines are "much, much easier to attack than anything we've previously said... On a scale of one to 10, if the problems we found before were a six, this is a 10. It's a totally different ballgame." According to Rubin, the system is intentionally designed so that anyone with access can update the machine software, without a pass code or other security protocol. Diebold officials said that although any problem can be avoided by keeping a close watch on the machines, they are developing a fix.[17]

Michael I. Shamos, a professor of computer science at Carnegie Mellon University who is a proponent of electronic voting and the examiner of electronic voting systems for Pennsylvania, stated "It's the most severe security flaw ever discovered in a voting system." Douglas W. Jones, a professor of computer science at the University of Iowa, stated "This is the barn door being wide open, while people were arguing over the lock on the front door." Diebold spokesman David Bear played down the seriousness of the situation, asserting that "For there to be a problem here, you're basically assuming a premise where you have some evil and nefarious election officials who would sneak in and introduce a piece of software. I don't believe these evil elections people exist."[18]

On October 30, 2006, researchers from the University of Connecticut demonstrated new vulnerabilities in Diebold AccuVote-OS optical scan voting terminal. The system can be compromised even if its removable memory card is sealed in place.[19]

On November 2, 2006, HBO premiered a documentary entitled "Hacking Democracy", concerning the vulnerability of electronic voting machines (primarily Diebold) to hacking and inaccurate vote totals. The company argued that the film was factually inaccurate and urged HBO to air a disclaimer explaining that it had not verified any of the claims.[20][21][22] However, corroboration and validation for the exploits shown in Hacking Democracy was published in a report for the state of California (see above).

In January 2007, a photo of the key used to open Diebold voting machines was posted in the company's website. It was found possible to duplicate the key based on the photo. The key unlocks a compartment which contains a removable memory card, leaving the machine vulnerable to tampering.[23]

A report commissioned by Ohio’s top elections official on December 15, 2007 has found that all five voting systems used in Ohio (made by Elections Systems and Software; Premier Election Solutions (formerly Diebold Election Systems); and Hart InterCivic) have critical flaws that could undermine the integrity of the 2008 general election.
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25 Aug 2016, 2:49 am

what will happen to America when a majority of voters realize that it is a racket and their vote absolutely doesn't count for anything?



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25 Aug 2016, 9:47 am

It is fairly common since it is not hard to do at all on an individual level, when you start getting into organized it becomes easier to catch but a couple hundred ballots here or there can change an entire election. It is something we should be ever vigilant of, one person one vote!



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27 Aug 2016, 10:29 am

auntblabby wrote:
what will happen to America when a majority of voters realize that it is a racket and their vote absolutely doesn't count for anything?


No single vote counts for much, but collectively votes matter. An exception to this was the 2000 election. A few hundred votes in Florida decided who would be president.


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29 Aug 2016, 1:58 pm

Here we go

FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems


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29 Aug 2016, 6:48 pm

It's very likely, and this time round it's probably going to be done by both parties.
Imagine when IGN used to have those "top video game character" polls. And that sums up what the two party system will do with voting this time.

In the past it was normally only one party guilty of it per term. But this time anything goes.


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