I bought a Bible .

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I bought a Bible to-day , at Alexander Book Co, off of the later end of " my basic area " between Market and Mission streets near the Embarcadero . It is the New Revised Standard Version , a decidedly more expensive edition than I pictured getting , but it ws the only suitable copy of the NRSV the bookstore had in stock .
It's not my first Bible even in the last couple years , I've had numerous ~ which got stolen/lost/left behind (Matter of fact , I even have a someone-gave-me-one cheap KJV paperback inn my room that got tossed aside and the bacover worn off) ~ This is very large-print , with better paper and lots of extras , including the 151st Psalm , which I discovered recently and wanted to have ~ I did decide to take the leap and spend the - VERY considerable - price for this edition .
I bought the laters HARPER'S magazine there too , with a " What Happened To Christion Intellectuals ? " cover line and fiction by Alice McDermott(??) .
There was a big car accident that happened slightly south of that that day on Market , I saw the aftermath as I got off the bus !
(The " frown " 'motie is for the numerous previous lost books , not what is said in the parenthesis break .)

I hope you'll be able to prevent it getting stolen this time around... it can't be easy having nowhere safe to out stuff...

Great news, ASS-P!

A few months ago, I finally found a 1900 Pure Cambridge Edition (PCE) of the King James Version Bible. It is very difficult to find in print, but, because the PCE is in the public domain within the United States, it is, once again, being printed. I found mine on Amazon.com in hardcover and large print.

But, here is the kicker! The printer is located just four or five miles away from my house. I wish I had known that before paying for Amazon's "shipping" from Tennessee! I could have walked there.

Anyway, it is good to know another Bible-ophile at WP.

There are at least about five people in PPR who know quite a bit about the historical Bible.

Stolen bibles. The alt-right wept.

A UseNet.com reference?

Scholars? Do they include you, KK?

NRSV is a good one. There is a nice, though huge, Harper Collins annotated version of that--the HC Study Bible. I went through a period when this was a special interest. I ended up reading through KJV, NIV and NRSV completely along with the JPS Tanakh. I did not understand autism then, or why these kind of extreme interests would take me.

It's no longer a special interest, but the knowledge from that study is still there.

I find it strange that so many conservatives try to misuse it to bolster their positions, when the voice of the prophets was never a comfort to the rich, powerful or conventional. Good luck getting that camel through the eye of a needle, brother.

People with exegetical skill can turn the words to suit any purpose, so it seems like it's all pearls before swine most of the time. Passions are so deep around these topics that it's hard to have a decent conversation about them.

Also the Bible can be a kind of gateway drug. Once you have been immersed in it for a while you start to learn about the traditions of the body of the church, the schisms, heresies and factions, the rich traditions of the Eastern Orthodox, Copts, Ethiopian Orthodox, as well as the ideas of St. Augustine, Julian of Norwich and esoteric works like the Cloud of Unknowing, or surprising views on subjects that seemed well understood, like the understanding expressed by Kalomiros in the River of Fire, or Tillich's Ground of Being, Abelard, Spong.

It can be hard to take the people who want to oversimplify or claim that reality must be a lie if it contradicts the interpretation of the word that someone fed them once.

It's a fascinating world of ideas, experiences, traditions and emotions.

Well written. When I was in college, the father of a longtime friend of mine (who was fundamentalist Christian) asked me if I had read the Bible. I chuckled and said "not really." I had just finished requesting excommunication from the LDS Church at the time, and added "I don't like how every religion thinks its 'way' is the right way." He nodded over the barbecue he was tending, and said simply "read the Bible. Nothing else matters." In the years since, I realized that he knew that my understanding of the Bible would prevail. He must have been okay with that. His daughter (my longtime friend) said that her father was very simplistic about faith and knowledge, and apparently had no use for churches or their glitterbug leaders.

I see human history in the Bible. I see faith and knowledge in the words of its characters.

...Replying to all and pounding a brief reply out due to time limitations , it's a large print edition , with various " extra " not-who;;y canonicia(??) in all major Christian denominations stuff as I said in part .
Softcover , square , cost about $37.95 ! I had pictured more a standard " lectern "-type Bible for $9.95 or so , but... .
I'll admit , is " my side " wanting to belong that rather , in part anyway , led to me wanting that one (In Santa Cruz I had a similar edition that was , however , a conventional hardcover , which , briefly , I left behind .) of being in background Episcopalian , likewise going to (When I can- - , anyway , considering , for two things anyway , my screwed-up sleeping pattern and my difficulty getting going in the morning .) one at least a couple times here in SF (it's in the Mission) , since the Episcopal Church semi-officially uses the NRSV .

I would be a member of the Episcopal Church if I weren't so solitary about my beliefs to begin with. So, I have a little bit of leeway with my studies. Thus, I own a copy of the Book of Common Prayer and a KJV Bible, but I also include some monastic Celtic and Gaelic variations on the theme. And, I admit, there is a titch of gnostic belief, too.

whatever English translation of the Bible you have go to Isaiah 7:14. If you find the word "virgin" there commit your bible to the flames. That is NOT what the Hebrew is. It is a thoroughly wrong translation.

Nope....not me. I'm far from being a historical Biblical scholar. A knowledge of Greek and of Ancient Hebrew is a very important component in this

It's too bad that PPR doesn't go back to its more scholarly roots, instead of people just sniping at each other.

I've read some very substantial Biblical scholarship here. Based on the knowledge of the Greek and Ancient Hebrew languages.

The King James companies shaded many words into the meaning they desired ... sometimes for good, sometimes for bad. My PCE shows "virgin" at Isaiah 7:14. When I find a verse which is confusing, I switch to my biblical software, TheWord, which allows me to read the original language (or, at least, oldest known language) used with contemporaneous interpretations. The King James companies weren't perfect, but did write a very poetic version of the Bible.


Indeed. PPR has become the attic where Norman Bates keeps his opinions. My problem is that I don't discriminate between subforums and topics. Ninety-nine percent of the time, I never even notice in which subforum a topic resides. I can be humming along nicely with a great attitude only to fall victim to a honey pot with some provocative shtuff.

I wish I had known PPR when academic ideas and proofs mattered.

Any woman who has conceived has been f***ed by a human male and is therefore not a virgin. The origin of this bad translation goes back to the Septuigent which translated the bible from Hebrew and Aramaic into Greek. There was no Greek word that means exactly what עלמה meant so they used παρθένα which was translated into English as "virgin". עלמה would apply to any young woman of marriageable age who was not previously married. Such a woman might or might not have been a virgin. The is a Hebrew world that does mean "virgin", i.e. a woman who has not had sexual relations. The word is בתולה pronounced b'tulah. If the prophet had meant "virgin" this is the word he would have used.

Unfortunately the KJV was agenda driven from the git-go. It was an English language translation of the Hebrew and Aramaic in the Jewish scriptures and the Koine Greek used in the Gospels. Here is the agenda King James established:
"James gave the translators instructions intended to ensure that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy.[6] The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.[7] In common with most other translations of the period, the New Testament was translated from Greek, the Old Testament from Hebrew and Aramaic, and the Apocrypha from Greek and Latin. In the Book of Common Prayer (1662), the text of the Authorized Version replaced the text of the Great Bible for Epistle and Gospel readings (but not for the Psalter, which substantially retained Coverdale's Great Bible version) and as such was authorized by Act of Parliament.[8]"

That is what happens when Church and State are NOT separate.

Nope, just "young woman."
Please expound on what you said.
Thank you.