'Citizens' cheer on Drumpf's tax evasion

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This is beyond parody... seriously. What's next, "woo, a murderer, woo, a rapist"? Sure, tax evasion isn't quite as outrageous as either of those, but it's still fundamental to society's fragmentation. In the UK Cameron was gone a few months after the Panama papers, not that he resigned directly due to it, but at least no one cheered...

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Speaking of taxes, Russia reportedly warned NATO that they were firing on their own assets, repeatedly; we have a tendency toward iconoclasm and Keynesian busywork, and some people feel beholden to that, with religious fervor.

A dollar is a medium of exchange, a conveyance, or an abstraction. Worth no more than an inch or an ounce or the beads of an abacus, it is hypothecated into existence. Why does the fractional reserve, borrowing ( was it?)6 dollars to every 1, need the first one -- just a digital placeholder.

A lot of Americans resent taxes and see it as theft of their hard earned money. So they see tax evasion as righteous and fighting the good fight that they wish they could do too

Mootoo-

I think most of us Americans are disgusted with Trump's shenanigans, whether it's about cheating on his taxes when he's more than capable of paying them, his phony charities that actually fund his innumerable legal troubles, and his refusal to pay contractors, union busting, and sending his manufacturing overseas while lying through his teeth how he's going to stop outsourcing overseas, and how he's a friend of the working man. His supporters will always make excuses for him, but wouldn't tolerate such a record from a Democrat.
Incidentally, the same people who defend Trump's tax evasion are the same ones who damn those of us who don't have the financial means to pay a federal income tax.

What evidence do you have to support your claim of "Tax Evasion"?

Everything I've read/watched/heard so far suggests that Trump is operating within the law, not against it.

Why is he so scared to reveal his tax returns then? And no, I don't buy the audit bullsh*t.

It is Tax avoidance not tax evasion, legally they are two entirely different things. I believe before ww1 ( other than briefly during the civil war) there was no labor tax and the law states that the government cannot tax peoples labor unless at war (1913 onwards i believe) ( hence to some extent your perpetual war you currently have). In essence it is a 'Voluntary' declaration of your labor taxes, however if you try to argue this you will get quit a bit of intimidation unless you know the laws which trump, the politicians and the wealthy know very well!... As for Trump. I dont like the man at all, but the difference between his businesses and clintons is that clinton hides behind the guise of charity which does have some tax declaration, where Trump is running commercial businesses will huge numbers of shareholders and it is his legal duty to make sure his shareholders are getting every penny they are legally entitled to, so he HAS to find the best way to save money or his shareholders have every right to sue him. So he is actually right in his statement in his speech that anyone could do the same if they just read the knowledge in this area. So in essence he is legally obliged to be doing what he is doing or will be sued to the hilt with the other 3000 lawsuits against him! lol

Trump and his supporters, however, have a problem with poor citizens not paying taxes, even though they're following the law:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... s-dont-pay

This goes back to those Alpha dynamics. For Trump's supporters, he's the Alpha male, so they're content to let him get away with whatever, but the poor people, they're the Omega, they're at the bottom, and should be forced to serve their betters. That's why they have a problem with the poor not paying taxes, but are happy to see Trump commit tax evasion.

It is also your duty to know the law. This goes way back to the Magna Charta which your constitutions are based on. All businesses in their right minds try to balance the books at a loss each year, its silly not too. If people did their own research they would realize they have a darn site more freedoms than they realize, it just down to whether people can be arsed to uphold them or just lie on there backs and do what big brother tells them to do.

I don't know why he refuses to reveal his tax returns, let alone whether his motivation is 'fear'. Like yourself, my only resort is speculation.

That said, I can think of multiple reasons he might be reluctant - none of which include Tax Evasion. Were he guilty of Tax Evasion, it's fairly safe to assume he would have been prosecuted years ago.



Quite so. Yet on this occasion it seems to be the result of opportunism on the back of poor performance rather than premeditated clever accounting. If the reported $900m losses are accurate, he would be unlikely to be eligible to pay Federal tax for some 15 years. I can see why he might want to keep that on the DL until people have voted.



That's a reductive portrayal of Trump's supporters that doesn't match up to my understanding of their key issues. It's more accurate to say that the only people who care about Trump's tax returns are his opponents. His supporters have entirely different axes to grind.

And once again, unless you have evidence that Trump is guilty of committing a crime, I suggest you steer away from claims of "Tax Evasion".

They might not have investigated and convicted him of a crime, but in his boasting he practically admits to it, not even in a roundabout way, and even attempts to justify it for everyone who's ever invested in a tax haven. It might be legal, but it's a loophole that at least the EU is trying to close (individual countries seem unable or unwilling)... and his supporters might not have a problem with it, but it certainly highlights the hypocrisy when this is but the tip of the iceberg of various things he does he doesn't want others to do or vice versa. If he doesn't want China to get all the jobs surely he can begin by not offshoring his own? But how could one argue with the hypnotized, when all they want to do is elevate a hypothetical billionaire to supposedly defend their pauper causes. Pied Piper comes to mind.

Breaking news: Man admits to not committing a crime.



The EU is trying to enforce legislation that will lead to a huge downturn in investment and jobs, against the desires of its member states. It's yet another great argument for dismantling the EU.



How is it hypocrisy? He's operating within multiple legal parameters, one of which is fiduciary responsibility. If he changed the law, he wouldn't be exempt from it.



If that comes at the expense of shareholders, he's legally bound not to do so. Changing the law resolves the problem, holding people accountable for operating within the same set of rules as everyone else does not.



You could start by addressing them as autonomous individuals rather than demonising and dehumanising them collectively. You're arguing with a strawman, not with Trump supporters.

Tax loopholes and write offs aren't tax evasion, tax evasion is a crime whereas these have been specifically coded into tax law.

this is literally what every rich person does, if you dislike then it is an issue with the tax code not the person making the deductions.

Everybody has done it including Hillary, including the NYT, including Mark Cuban, including George Soros, including Warren Buffet, you can go on and on.

Bill Clinton in part actually helped create a number of these loop holes and deductions if you want the truth.

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Let me be transparent about this, Mootoo:

I loathe Trump.

The disgust I feel for him is so intense that I cannot express it. I do not think highly of the political decisions of those who have decided to support him, but while I can denigrate him to my hearts content on this site, and disparage the act of supporting his deplorable ideas, I cannot attack or belittle the individuals who support those ideas, because it's against the rules. Those rules apply to you, too.

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Plenty of the rich get away with tax evasion. It's much too common.

Even if it's legal, far too many of the super wealthy get away without paying a dime, leaving the burden on ordinary people. I say, get rid of all the damn loopholes, and then squeeze those bastards for all they're worth.