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11 Nov 2016, 12:19 pm

Traditionally, conservatives i.e. the Reagans have been adamantly opposed to recreational drug use of any sort (unless you consider alcohol and tobacco to be drugs, which is a separate discussion).

Recently, a number of US states have legalized recreational use of marijuana, in fact some did so in the recent election. I believe some of these states may have also voted for Trump/Pence.

Perhaps not everybody is aware that recreational (and medical) use of marijuana is prohibited by Federal law. Every time somebody uses in one of these "legal" states, they are violating Federal law. Try to get a security clearance and you will be asked about it.

I am wondering if Trump and Pence are planning to crack down on marijuana users in these states. In the decades that have passed since Reagan, the libertarian wing of the Republican Party has by and large supported recreational use. It is reasonable to assume that a significant percentage of these users voted for Trump/Pence. A crackdown, although the proper conservative thing to do, according to tradition, might alienate a great many of Trump's voters.

Would this happen or not?


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11 Nov 2016, 1:04 pm

MaxE wrote:
Traditionally, conservatives i.e. the Reagans have been adamantly opposed to recreational drug use of any sort (unless you consider alcohol and tobacco to be drugs, which is a separate discussion).

Recently, a number of US states have legalized recreational use of marijuana, in fact some did so in the recent election. I believe some of these states may have also voted for Trump/Pence.

Perhaps not everybody is aware that recreational (and medical) use of marijuana is prohibited by Federal law. Every time somebody uses in one of these "legal" states, they are violating Federal law. Try to get a security clearance and you will be asked about it.

I am wondering if Trump and Pence are planning to crack down on marijuana users in these states. In the decades that have passed since Reagan, the libertarian wing of the Republican Party has by and large supported recreational use. It is reasonable to assume that a significant percentage of these users voted for Trump/Pence. A crackdown, although the proper conservative thing to do, according to tradition, might alienate a great many of Trump's voters.

Would this happen or not?


That really depends. The Baby Boomers would, of course, support outlawing weed. The younger ones, or some hankfully, acknowledge that it's no more dangerous than alcohol. They also acknowledge that too much $$$ and effort has been put behind controlling drugs. But I'm just spitballing, here.



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11 Nov 2016, 4:15 pm

Every state that allows recreational or medical use of marijuana has become a laboratory.

The results, both scientific and public opinion are in.

There is a + net gain.

The portion of the government blocking the People's wishes are living back in the 1920s
(or they are bending to the will of those who profit from alcohol). No medical use indeed: Tell that to a Mother with a sick child, when we know the cure is there. The federal people who block medicine for children are the worst-of-the-worst.



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11 Nov 2016, 6:31 pm

I do not know what Trump would do. If Chris Christy becomes attorney general, he may sue the states which have legalized marijuana on the grounds of violating the supremacy clause. I hope they do sue these states and that the courts recognize that the state laws legalizing marijuana are unconstitutional.



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11 Nov 2016, 6:37 pm

ZenDen wrote:
Every state that allows recreational or medical use of marijuana has become a laboratory.

The results, both scientific and public opinion are in.

There is a + net gain.

The portion of the government blocking the People's wishes are living back in the 1920s
(or they are bending to the will of those who profit from alcohol). No medical use indeed: Tell that to a Mother with a sick child, when we know the cure is there. The federal people who block medicine for children are the worst-of-the-worst.


Well if something does not have an actual medical use, I would tell her, because putting faith in fake medicine will only hurt their child. Kind of like the deluded parents who went gave their children diluted bleach to try to treat autism. Snake oil salesman who peddle fake medicine for their own profit are far more reprehensible than federal officials who block them practicing their hoax. And by the way, scientists can already synthesize the chemical component in marijuana which has the so called medical use, separate from the THC which intoxicates. Thus medical marijuana is totally unnecessary.



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11 Nov 2016, 7:46 pm

There's no way to tell what will happen. If the science stays in favor of legalization and even furthers it, regardless of whether it may have caused interracial relationships in the 1920's, any attempt to stop federal legalization and at least schedule 2 status shouldn't be able to grab any sort of permanent foothold - unless we really do somehow fall into some kind of odd dictatorship. The later I really don't see as possible in one presidency.


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11 Nov 2016, 8:09 pm

yelekam wrote:
I do not know what Trump would do. If Chris Christy becomes attorney general, he may sue the states which have legalized marijuana on the grounds of violating the supremacy clause. I hope they do sue these states and that the courts recognize that the state laws legalizing marijuana are unconstitutional.


Unconstitutional how? Also why would you hope for that with how much it can help the economy? not to mention how much social upheaval it would cause considering the majority of the country wants it legal or decriminalized. Also do we really need to increase the prison population?

Here is an idea if you don't like it don't smoke it.



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11 Nov 2016, 8:13 pm

yelekam wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
Every state that allows recreational or medical use of marijuana has become a laboratory.

The results, both scientific and public opinion are in.

There is a + net gain.

The portion of the government blocking the People's wishes are living back in the 1920s
(or they are bending to the will of those who profit from alcohol). No medical use indeed: Tell that to a Mother with a sick child, when we know the cure is there. The federal people who block medicine for children are the worst-of-the-worst.


Well if something does not have an actual medical use, I would tell her, because putting faith in fake medicine will only hurt their child. Kind of like the deluded parents who went gave their children diluted bleach to try to treat autism. Snake oil salesman who peddle fake medicine for their own profit are far more reprehensible than federal officials who block them practicing their hoax. And by the way, scientists can already synthesize the chemical component in marijuana which has the so called medical use, separate from the THC which intoxicates. Thus medical marijuana is totally unnecessary.


CBD oil made from cannabis is a proven treatment for Epilepsy and has worked wonders for quite a few children, go look it up. It is in no way comparable to diluted bleach that could actually severely harm the child. Also no they don't have any synthetic cannabis drugs that are as effective as actual cannabis, the have a thc pill but its said to be ineffective.



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11 Nov 2016, 8:27 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
yelekam wrote:
I do not know what Trump would do. If Chris Christy becomes attorney general, he may sue the states which have legalized marijuana on the grounds of violating the supremacy clause. I hope they do sue these states and that the courts recognize that the state laws legalizing marijuana are unconstitutional.


Unconstitutional how? Also why would you hope for that with how much it can help the economy? not to mention how much social upheaval it would cause considering the majority of the country wants it legal or decriminalized. Also do we really need to increase the prison population?

Here is an idea if you don't like it don't smoke it.


It's unconstitutional to bypass a federal law. Mean imagine if Maine made murder legal. I support making weed legal but it should be done by federal.



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11 Nov 2016, 11:12 pm

sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
yelekam wrote:
I do not know what Trump would do. If Chris Christy becomes attorney general, he may sue the states which have legalized marijuana on the grounds of violating the supremacy clause. I hope they do sue these states and that the courts recognize that the state laws legalizing marijuana are unconstitutional.


Unconstitutional how? Also why would you hope for that with how much it can help the economy? not to mention how much social upheaval it would cause considering the majority of the country wants it legal or decriminalized. Also do we really need to increase the prison population?

Here is an idea if you don't like it don't smoke it.


It's unconstitutional to bypass a federal law. Mean imagine if Maine made murder legal. I support making weed legal but it should be done by federal.


The federal government isn't going to do that, especially now....so it is up to the states to overturn the federal policy.



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11 Nov 2016, 11:31 pm

I don't think Trump will interfere with states' rights when it comes to marijuana legalization, Trump I think would look at it in money terms and he's someone I think you can make an emotional appeal too. Trump's older brother Fred died from alcoholism, he should know first hand how much more dangerous alcohol is than marijuana and marijuana does provide a medical benefit unlike alcohol.

I don't think Christie will be Attorney General thankfully, he's no longer leading the transition team. AG will probably be Rudy Giuliani or Trey Gowdy I think, not sure what their views on the subject are.

Prop 205 lost here, sucks! Have to wait a couple years and try again I guess, really sucks being out west with all these states where it is now legalized recreationally but it is inevitable in the long run. Hopefully it is removed from Schedule I soon.



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12 Nov 2016, 7:07 am

sly279 wrote:
It's unconstitutional to bypass a federal law. Mean imagine if Maine made murder legal. I support making weed legal but it should be done by federal.

I think the enforcement of laws as such depend on the will of the federal government. If they don't have the will to legalize marijuana across the country for fear of the unknown or populist reprisal but certain states have shown the will to pilot the project I think there's some tacit agreement by the federal government that those states are doing something helpful for their collection of evidence to pass a federal bill.


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