I regret voting for Trump.
True democracy wouldn't have someone who got nearly 2m more votes losing an election.
Under this nation's constitution it does. Its a composite of 51 state popular votes transmitted into apportioned representatives for the aggregate total.
A two-party system is less democratic than a system with 3 to 10 parties. It is polarizing, which is disfunctional for a democracy, and leading to anxieties and radicalization.
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True democracy wouldn't have someone who got nearly 2m more votes losing an election.
Under this nation's constitution it does. Its a composite of 51 state popular votes transmitted into apportioned representatives for the aggregate total.
A two-party system is less democratic than a system with 3 to 10 parties. It is polarizing, which is disfunctional for a democracy, and leading to anxieties and radicalization.
I wonder what it is about amuurica that makes it so allergic to a viable 3rd party?
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There would be no coddling of any one group, no entitlements to get free stuff at the expense of others, and no right not to have one's feelings hurt, etc...
One area where I would break from conservative party lines would be to promote government intervention in the regulation of healthcare costs of any service over a certain dollar amount. This makes the medical industry atone for thier own greed instead of putting it on the shoulders of the citizen/taxpayer by forcing them to purchase a product (i.e. Obamacare) or raising thier taxes (standard liberal fix-all).
My way and your nanny state way can't co-exist.
You must be talking about my health care reform idea here although you're not specific. No surprise to me that you'd prefer to allow the fat cats to keep getting fat while John Q. Citizen foots the bill for it. Hey, as long as you and yours have your Obamacare who cares about anyone else...
Sly has already smoked you out as an anti-gunner so I doubt you'll be back in his good graces anytime soon.
As a matter of fact, Sly and I have had pleasant conversations via PM. I don't consider him rude or an adversary of any kind.
Maybe not yet but you tend to get on people's bad side. I've gotten several unsolicited PM's in the past year or so from various people about you that weren't very flattering.
In fact, that sounds more like your unregulated world of self empowered individuals straight out of a bad novel by Ayn Rand.
Rand again
Has it ever occurred to you that I might get just about all of my values from myself and my own observations?
And you never did directly reply to my plan for affordable healthcare.
Same can be said about PM's sent to me by other WP members about you.
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Obamacare was passed by a simple majority thru the budget process of reconciliation so it seems fair that it could be used in it's repeal & replacement. Fair is fair. Lets see how cooperative they are with judges because I would support the 'nuclear option' being applied to the SCOTUS as it has been so reduced under Obama with everything else, this is a unique time for the for the court with the amount of potential openings in the next 4 years to 8 years so it is an opportunity of cementing in justices who believe and uphold the constitution as it is written for the next generation. America really was at threat under Hillary Clinton, she despises the constitution and wishes to erode our most basic freedoms and while there is much work to be done it should be known how close we were to losing this country permanently.
We are much better off now than if we had elected non-functioning divided government and I think the markets have reflected that, those looking for retribution for the way they believe Obama was treated I think are foolish since Obama came in not needing a single Republican vote for anything and the concessions he made were strictly to moderates in their own party. Elections matter, majorities matter, I would not have much tolerance for attention seekers or ideological grand standers when it comes to filibusters and I feel this is all justified given how Obama abused the slim majorities that he had and lost(started with a super majory in both houses)
I am encouraged by some of the things I've heard from the incoming Democratic minority in the Senate(not hard to do considering they were under the leadership of Harry Reid before), Chuck Schumer has signaled that he will work with Trump on things that they agree about and that he wanted to force Trump to decide between his populist rhetoric and the free market principles of his party. I think this is where some of those vulnerable Democrats can really come into to play, infrastructure is something Democrats agree with and it's something that tangible that can be brought back home which there has not been much doing the last few yours with all the gridlock
Obama had to depend solely on Democratic votes in congress because the Republicans had made a concerted effort to block anything he wanted. And no, it wasn't necessarily because they disagreed with Obama, but due to total vindictiveness on their part.
Obama had such big majorities that he did not need to compromise or include Republicans in anything at the beginning of his presidency, I think he might of gotten more done if he never had a supermajority like that since of course the GOP would not cooperate if it is not even included in the process but their opposition really meant nothing the elections in 2010 and even when the GOP won Ted Kennedy's seat they still passed Obamacare thru with reconciliation. I think Democrats would be very foolish to think the voters will reward them obstruction.
Thing is, though, on the night of Obama's inauguration, the Republican house and senate leadership had met to conspire to slow government to a snail's pace in order to make Obama's Presidency a single term.
Thank gosh for that ord we'd not have the 2nd amendment. Obama would of regulated it away to nothing if the republicans hadn't stood up and said no!! ! !
Only according to said Republicans.
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There would be no coddling of any one group, no entitlements to get free stuff at the expense of others, and no right not to have one's feelings hurt, etc...
One area where I would break from conservative party lines would be to promote government intervention in the regulation of healthcare costs of any service over a certain dollar amount. This makes the medical industry atone for thier own greed instead of putting it on the shoulders of the citizen/taxpayer by forcing them to purchase a product (i.e. Obamacare) or raising thier taxes (standard liberal fix-all).
My way and your nanny state way can't co-exist.
You must be talking about my health care reform idea here although you're not specific. No surprise to me that you'd prefer to allow the fat cats to keep getting fat while John Q. Citizen foots the bill for it. Hey, as long as you and yours have your Obamacare who cares about anyone else...
Sly has already smoked you out as an anti-gunner so I doubt you'll be back in his good graces anytime soon.
As a matter of fact, Sly and I have had pleasant conversations via PM. I don't consider him rude or an adversary of any kind.
Maybe not yet but you tend to get on people's bad side. I've gotten several unsolicited PM's in the past year or so from various people about you that weren't very flattering.
In fact, that sounds more like your unregulated world of self empowered individuals straight out of a bad novel by Ayn Rand.
Rand again
Has it ever occurred to you that I might get just about all of my values from myself and my own observations?
And you never did directly reply to my plan for affordable healthcare.
Same can be said about PM's sent to me by other WP members about you.
Ah, but I thrive on notoriety.
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Perhaps this will inspire true Americans to figure out clever solutions on their own instead of hoping that big government will come to the rescue. People will save for their retirement instead of relying on big government.
Aspies will have more time to explore and develop their unique talents--with the absence of government programs that try to force them to be "normal"--like it used to be.
I won't mention names, lest I be accused of trolling, but you'll find some people who have proven they can hold a full time job but for whatever reason have given up. They no longer even try to improve their own lot in the traditional way (e.g. work) and look solely to big government for all forms of wellbeing.
What do you know about anyone else's situation, skippy? All that shows is how lacking in sympathy you are for others, because of your own prejudices.
Yeah, right, I'm the one who brings negative emotions out of other people.
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I can do manual machining and welding, I can work as a chef or butcher, and I can build and fix guns or most any other mechanical thing; I can work with anything up to and including Mad Max. What can you do?
More realistically, I'm prepared to take some short term pain in order to secure my rights long term, something that liberals never seem to have learned how to do.
Which you know because you're so well acquainted with the majority of the gun people? More pointedly, you think you know them better than I do?
No one cares about Reagan, bringing up his position on guns now is about as relevant as pointing out that Democrats were long the party of southern racists, a point I know you're capable of grasping, but seemingly not of applying.
If you want to be Mad Max, I'll be the Postman, going from post apocalyptic settlement to settlement, telling stories for my dinner.
I bet you see conservatives as the Holnists.
Yep, I saw the movie and read the book but it was several years ago.
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A multi-party system (ideally up to a maximum of 10 parties) would make it easier for candidates to hold an opinion different from their parties, so Republicans for example could be pro-medicare, anti-gun and non-Christian. That would make reforms, compromises and party programm shifts possible, and without so much acerbating fighting.
It makes more sense to first fight for a different elective system, and then for other political goals. You have to see where the resistance is, and how to break it. Medicare was a good intermediate target, but a reform of the elective system is the priority, and big resistance should not hold back people to pursue it. It should just make you come up with better explanations for this resistance, and with solutions and a strategy.
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Perhaps this will inspire true Americans to figure out clever solutions on their own instead of hoping that big government will come to the rescue. People will save for their retirement instead of relying on big government.
Aspies will have more time to explore and develop their unique talents--with the absence of government programs that try to force them to be "normal"--like it used to be.
I won't mention names, lest I be accused of trolling, but you'll find some people who have proven they can hold a full time job but for whatever reason have given up. They no longer even try to improve their own lot in the traditional way (e.g. work) and look solely to big government for all forms of wellbeing.
What do you know about anyone else's situation, skippy?
1. How did I get the name Skippy?
2. You certainly have no reservations about telling people about thier situations.
I'm sympathetic when and where it's due. For those whom it's not due I tell them sympathy is in the dictionary between shi+ and syphilis.
Where's this coming from?
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson
Obamacare was passed by a simple majority thru the budget process of reconciliation so it seems fair that it could be used in it's repeal & replacement. Fair is fair. Lets see how cooperative they are with judges because I would support the 'nuclear option' being applied to the SCOTUS as it has been so reduced under Obama with everything else, this is a unique time for the for the court with the amount of potential openings in the next 4 years to 8 years so it is an opportunity of cementing in justices who believe and uphold the constitution as it is written for the next generation. America really was at threat under Hillary Clinton, she despises the constitution and wishes to erode our most basic freedoms and while there is much work to be done it should be known how close we were to losing this country permanently.
We are much better off now than if we had elected non-functioning divided government and I think the markets have reflected that, those looking for retribution for the way they believe Obama was treated I think are foolish since Obama came in not needing a single Republican vote for anything and the concessions he made were strictly to moderates in their own party. Elections matter, majorities matter, I would not have much tolerance for attention seekers or ideological grand standers when it comes to filibusters and I feel this is all justified given how Obama abused the slim majorities that he had and lost(started with a super majory in both houses)
I am encouraged by some of the things I've heard from the incoming Democratic minority in the Senate(not hard to do considering they were under the leadership of Harry Reid before), Chuck Schumer has signaled that he will work with Trump on things that they agree about and that he wanted to force Trump to decide between his populist rhetoric and the free market principles of his party. I think this is where some of those vulnerable Democrats can really come into to play, infrastructure is something Democrats agree with and it's something that tangible that can be brought back home which there has not been much doing the last few yours with all the gridlock
Obama had to depend solely on Democratic votes in congress because the Republicans had made a concerted effort to block anything he wanted. And no, it wasn't necessarily because they disagreed with Obama, but due to total vindictiveness on their part.
Obama had such big majorities that he did not need to compromise or include Republicans in anything at the beginning of his presidency, I think he might of gotten more done if he never had a supermajority like that since of course the GOP would not cooperate if it is not even included in the process but their opposition really meant nothing the elections in 2010 and even when the GOP won Ted Kennedy's seat they still passed Obamacare thru with reconciliation. I think Democrats would be very foolish to think the voters will reward them obstruction.
Thing is, though, on the night of Obama's inauguration, the Republican house and senate leadership had met to conspire to slow government to a snail's pace in order to make Obama's Presidency a single term.
Thank gosh for that ord we'd not have the 2nd amendment. Obama would of regulated it away to nothing if the republicans hadn't stood up and said no!! ! !
Only according to said Republicans.
So there hasn't been anti-gun legislation proposed by democrats and/or passed into law?
Want a list?
How far back should I go?
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Did you not see the underlined part about how we'd still have welfare programs, then a reiteration of it near the end?
Was it really necessary for me to specify we'll need welfare programs for Sly279? Do I have to write out the whole details of the plan?
Straw man much?
Where did I say they'd pay no taxes and operate unregulated?
If you don't make it inviting for businesses then there won't be any and they will go elsewhere.
Really, if you're looking for an adversary I can be that guy and I'm very good at it.
Well most people on the right cpdont see anything besides people in wheel chairs as disable and claim depression, autism, anisety, pstd are all just faking. It's people like me they talk about when they say people are rigging the system and stealing their money, cause I must just be faking so I don't have to work like them,since mental issues are all just make believe etc. I see it all the time on facebook from pro gun people whol lean right.
You miss understand. I said most companies already find a way to pay no taxes. They already get all kinds of tax reliefs.
You said you want to remove regulations. I don't see anything that's regulataed besides safety and how they treat their employees. That and don't pollute the environment to save a few dollars.
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Perhaps this will inspire true Americans to figure out clever solutions on their own instead of hoping that big government will come to the rescue. People will save for their retirement instead of relying on big government.
Aspies will have more time to explore and develop their unique talents--with the absence of government programs that try to force them to be "normal"--like it used to be.
I won't mention names, lest I be accused of trolling, but you'll find some people who have proven they can hold a full time job but for whatever reason have given up. They no longer even try to improve their own lot in the traditional way (e.g. work) and look solely to big government for all forms of wellbeing.
What do you know about anyone else's situation, skippy?
1. How did I get the name Skippy?
2. You certainly have no reservations about telling people about thier situations.
I'm sympathetic when and where it's due. For those whom it's not due I tell them sympathy is in the dictionary between shi+ and syphilis.
Where's this coming from?
I tell people about their situations? Other than sticking up for the needy, disabled, and marginalized, and condemning those that attack the aforementioned groups, I fail to see what you mean.
And if skippy hits a nerve, then it fits.
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Obamacare was passed by a simple majority thru the budget process of reconciliation so it seems fair that it could be used in it's repeal & replacement. Fair is fair. Lets see how cooperative they are with judges because I would support the 'nuclear option' being applied to the SCOTUS as it has been so reduced under Obama with everything else, this is a unique time for the for the court with the amount of potential openings in the next 4 years to 8 years so it is an opportunity of cementing in justices who believe and uphold the constitution as it is written for the next generation. America really was at threat under Hillary Clinton, she despises the constitution and wishes to erode our most basic freedoms and while there is much work to be done it should be known how close we were to losing this country permanently.
We are much better off now than if we had elected non-functioning divided government and I think the markets have reflected that, those looking for retribution for the way they believe Obama was treated I think are foolish since Obama came in not needing a single Republican vote for anything and the concessions he made were strictly to moderates in their own party. Elections matter, majorities matter, I would not have much tolerance for attention seekers or ideological grand standers when it comes to filibusters and I feel this is all justified given how Obama abused the slim majorities that he had and lost(started with a super majory in both houses)
I am encouraged by some of the things I've heard from the incoming Democratic minority in the Senate(not hard to do considering they were under the leadership of Harry Reid before), Chuck Schumer has signaled that he will work with Trump on things that they agree about and that he wanted to force Trump to decide between his populist rhetoric and the free market principles of his party. I think this is where some of those vulnerable Democrats can really come into to play, infrastructure is something Democrats agree with and it's something that tangible that can be brought back home which there has not been much doing the last few yours with all the gridlock
Obama had to depend solely on Democratic votes in congress because the Republicans had made a concerted effort to block anything he wanted. And no, it wasn't necessarily because they disagreed with Obama, but due to total vindictiveness on their part.
Obama had such big majorities that he did not need to compromise or include Republicans in anything at the beginning of his presidency, I think he might of gotten more done if he never had a supermajority like that since of course the GOP would not cooperate if it is not even included in the process but their opposition really meant nothing the elections in 2010 and even when the GOP won Ted Kennedy's seat they still passed Obamacare thru with reconciliation. I think Democrats would be very foolish to think the voters will reward them obstruction.
Thing is, though, on the night of Obama's inauguration, the Republican house and senate leadership had met to conspire to slow government to a snail's pace in order to make Obama's Presidency a single term.
Thank gosh for that ord we'd not have the 2nd amendment. Obama would of regulated it away to nothing if the republicans hadn't stood up and said no!! ! !
Only according to said Republicans.
Yeah no according to the democrats. Who constantly talk about how the republicans are in the way of their gun control plans and throw tantrums over it.
I pay very close attention to congress and politicians when it comes to gun control. I search google every day for gun control, I even have it as a favorite on my apple news app. It's mostly news about some democrat pushing for gun control, or throwing a tantrum cause they can't get guns banned. You turn a blind eye to it cause you either do support it and just trying to put out you dont(I think it's this) or you support evil actions as long as they democrats.
Kinda like the Cold War "yeah he's a ruthless murdering dictator, but he's our ruthless murdering dictator" evil actions are not ok just cause their your side. You should call them out and vot them out of office for violating their oaths to the constitution. Then elect constitutional democrats and reshape the party, until then I'll continue to vote republican
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