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29 Nov 2016, 4:30 pm

Trump Calls for Revoking Flag Burners’ Citizenship. Court Rulings Forbid It.

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In 2005, Hillary Clinton, a senator from New York at that time, co-sponsored the Flag Protection Act. Arguing that desecration of the symbol “may amount to fighting words or a direct threat to the physical and emotional well-being” of onlookers, the bill would have banned flag burning if abusing the symbol was “intended to incite a violent response rather than make a political statement.”

All of this energy spent on a few people.

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29 Nov 2016, 8:41 pm

I really HATE it, when someone burns the flag----it makes me physically sick to my stomach----BUT, it IS protected by The Constitution, so..... Whaddaya gonna do.

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29 Nov 2016, 8:46 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:

I really HATE it, when someone burns the flag----it makes me physically sick to my stomach----BUT, it IS protected by The Constitution, so..... Whaddaya gonna do.

We should laugh at and ridicule those who resort to such vapid modes of communicating opinions. Their Free Speech might just get beat by our Free Speech. And, the Constitution for the United States of America could live to see another, calm, day.

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29 Nov 2016, 9:06 pm

I don't know how seriously I'd take the President-elect's Twitter feed as anything other than a guide as to what he's thinking about at any particular moment.

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29 Nov 2016, 9:55 pm

AspieUtah wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

I really HATE it, when someone burns the flag----it makes me physically sick to my stomach----BUT, it IS protected by The Constitution, so..... Whaddaya gonna do.

Or we could look at the motivations behind someone wanting to burn the flag, and see if there are any issues to be addressed that would make people feel less like burning the flag. Of course no law against laughing at and ridiculing flag burning displays either.

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29 Nov 2016, 11:36 pm

Not something I would choose to do,but it's better to burn a flag than a building or person.

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30 Nov 2016, 12:14 am

What's troubling about his tweet is the fact that he would think that at all. It's protected by the first amendment. Our country was founded on the ideals of free speech. To have a president-elect who doesn't respect the freedom this country was founded upon is terrifying.

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30 Nov 2016, 12:36 am

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What's troubling about his tweet is the fact that he would think that at all.

I disagree, I think most people have a strong reaction to provocations like flag burning, it's only later that we stop to actually think about it and decide that protecting expression is more important than protecting feelings. Even Hillary tried to ban flag burning, it's not an outside the norms position in this country.

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30 Nov 2016, 1:15 am

alex wrote:

Like the last 8 years of obama trying to shread the bill of rights. Trump wouldn't seem to be any worse the. Any of the past presidents since far started illegally expanding the executive powers.

Trump seems like he'll be way more respectful of the bill of rights and constitution then obama. I look forward to not having my rights assaulted daily by obama. It's been really stressful

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30 Nov 2016, 7:45 am

Dox47 wrote:

alex wrote:

What's troubling about his tweet is the fact that he would think that at all.

Indeed. Try burning an Israeli flag in downtown Tel Aviv. Sure, an individual might make a point, but the government (and many other world governments) will get their points across loud and clear, too. Are these nations just as vindictive as the Trump administration ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration )?

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30 Nov 2016, 9:00 am

alex wrote:

Your girl, Hillary, did the exact same thing (only, she didn't tweet it)----so, what's the problem, now?

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30 Nov 2016, 2:40 pm

I don't really see why anyone would care about seeing a flag burned to be honest, but then burning symbols clearly does have a powerful effect on people.

Burning a flag should be treated the same as burning any other symbol - ideally, no reaction from the law at all.

There might be a few cases where burning a flag or a holy book or something might be an attempt to start a riot, but in that case go after them for starting a riot, not "starting a riot by burning a flag". The same if someone commits arson by burning a flag. No need to give special protections to flags or books or symbols.

When was the last time there was a president who did respect the freedoms the US was built upon? Seems like pretty much all of them disagree with Jefferson and co. about the best way to run a country.

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02 Dec 2016, 12:15 am

I'd burn a flag just to spite all the faux patriots who believe I shouldn't. This hyper-reverence towards flags and anthems is just an excuse for people of one political stripe to condescend to the other for not matching their mindless fervour.

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02 Dec 2016, 9:40 am

They've talked about a constitutional amendment banning flag burning for years now, I don't see it ever actually happening but it is good political fodder. Trump is playing 4D chess again, now the idiots who oppose Trump will burn American flags and that will be the image they will be associated with.

People shouldn't burn the American flag not only because it is disrespectful but because it is unimaginably stupid for anybody trying to make a persuasive argument. These most disrespectful idiots who more often than not proclaim hatred for the police depend on the same police for protection to make their political statements, I don't think they would be so brave if they didn't have a cop in between them and the veteran with PTSD. Personally I don't mind since it identifies and discredits whoever does it.

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02 Dec 2016, 11:29 am

Jacoby wrote:

Exactly.

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02 Dec 2016, 5:32 pm

There's no argument, just a reminder that one's blind love of national symbols aren't so sacred that I can't burn them in plain sight; or that veterans can use their ptsd to excuse an attack on free expression (those are taliban tactics).

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