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18 Dec 2016, 8:34 pm

You know how there's been a lot of activism regarding and media about the survivors of the horrors of World War II (or the Holocaust to be more specific)? I'm wondering if the same could be said about the survivors of the horrors of the Cold War (like living in the Gulag camps, for instance).



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18 Dec 2016, 8:50 pm

Perhaps not quite what you're thinking of, but there has been a lot of discussion about a Victims of Communism Day, and there is a Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... ism-day-2/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_o ... Foundation


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19 Dec 2016, 4:54 pm

I lived in Angola during the civil war.

That was horrific. Arguably the proxy war prolonged the conflict by over a decade. I saw plenty victims of landmines. One sticks in my memory. A man with no legs at all, crossing the road propelled by his arms, Only black plastic and string protecting his lower parts.

It took the US ages to realise that Savimbi was no better, in fact in many respects worse than Dos Santos. This is was despite the fact it wasn't in their interests given that Cabinda Gulf is the second largest oil field in Sub Saharan
Africa and run by Chevron.

The problem with the cold war was not just the atrocities of the soviets, but all turning a blind eye to other regimes and actors who were more than capable of human rights abuses.

The US also used the Soviet threat as a pretext to conduct mass surveillance, and civil rights abuses despite claiming to be the land of the free.

The UK only abolished ant-subversive surveillance in 1988 but it continued on into the 00s. Look up Special Demonstration Squad and their tactics of using the identities of dead children to infiltrate groups, who hadn't be suspected of crimes, with long term cover operations including having relationship, children and even being tried under false identities.



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20 Dec 2016, 7:50 pm

LonelyJar wrote:
You know how there's been a lot of activism regarding and media about the survivors of the horrors of World War II (or the Holocaust to be more specific)? I'm wondering if the same could be said about the survivors of the horrors of the Cold War (like living in the Gulag camps, for instance).


Chile has plenty of them, as does El Salvador, Paraguay, Argentina, Uruguay, and many others led by people that we labled 'Good Anticommunist' dictators. The situation that we face in the Mideast with Iran today is a direct result to our giving power back to the Shah of Iran.


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21 Dec 2016, 12:29 pm

Yep an actual conspiracy that checks out Operation Ajax, run by Kermit Roosevelt Jr.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iran ... ation_Ajax

In other word two so called democratic countries conspiring to overthrow an elected leader of another state.