Our New President - President Donald Trump

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I find it a little suspicious that Trump and his predecessors have allowed the comparatively weak North Korea to remain independent for as long as they have.

If North Korea attacks another nation it will be because Trump let them. Trump will then pretend to be outraged.

Maybe Trump thinks he can't get public support for a war against North Korea unless they attack first so he will intentionally allow them to attack when he could have prevented it easily.

The U.S. right wing is all about profiting from war, not so much preventing it.

I will not opt into this fascist agenda.

this nightmare will likely soon be over.

January 20, 2025 is a long way away.

But I guess the world being incinerated could be a definition of “over”.

Define fascist.
Not a Trump supporter; but, from my knowledge of fascism, I'm certain he's not a fascist.




Answer these questions in regards to your life under the Trump administration: "Are you starving? Did your parents die while you were very young? Did you lose siblings in a war that destroyed your country? Are you living in impoverished conditions in a war torn country?" I guarantee the answer is 'no', seeing as the US isn't a war torn country suffering from famine. That is a nightmare, not what we're living in now. Just saying.

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. (Right now, Mexicans and Muslims.)

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. (it should be noted here that the GOP has declared itself a "Christian" party, even though their professed xtianity is largely a sham], and if they had their way that America would be officially made into a Christian nation.)

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. (um, medical and recreational use of a harmless plant is still considered illegal by the federal government. Big Oil, Big Pharma, And Big Textile are among the biggest lobbyists against legalization, for obvious reasons.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, science, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. (the fact that Black Lives Matter had to form in the first place, shouts the truth of this.)

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham [most recently in Russia]. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. (Bush/Gore, 2000.)

Anybody reading this who claims to not see any similarities to what is happening in amuurica right now, just isn't paying attention IMHO.

I hope you believe this but, I just spent two hours writing a post, only for it not to post and to lose everything. Thankfully I saved it on a text document, I will see if I can post it in segments.

@Forum Mods
Please forgive me for having to put it into multiple replies, but it appears to register as spam when I put it all in one post.

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I think the post finally posted, but let me know if it didn't. @anyone

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For one, that's not explicitly fascist. Do you know how many countries do this without being fascist? Have you watched the World Cup? The World Cup is not fascist. Also, patriots do this too, and they're not fascist.




What exactly has Trump done, hell even said, that holds disdain for rights? He even supports the Dreamers, which democrats turned around and opposed a bill that would allow them to have citizenship.
One of his very few policies that can be seen, from a libertarian viewpoint, as full on authoritarian is death penalty for drug dealers. I think drugs should be legalized. Otherwise, he has yet to go full-on Duterte on them.




Again, going back to Dreamers: Trump has supported them having a path to citizenship, and the GOP, while democrats opposed it. As for Muslims, what has he done to oppress Muslims? He had a temporary travel ban on very dangerous countries, which is nothing out of the ordinary.
I will say, if anything, the democrats have so far fit your definition of fascist. They have started many violent protests, like Hitler did in his uprising, killed people (such as that of the Dallas shooting targeting police officers), demonized people of European-descent and even people of Asian-descent (I happen to be of both), they rally people against the U.S. constitution, they rally people against capitalism, against other individuals too such as police officers, conservatives, libertarians -- anyone they disagree with. Whether it be social media or live speeches, the radicalized American left has been proactively disrupting others from exercising their right to speak, 99% of which aren't even remotely fascist or Nazi-related.
Also, I would like to say, I'm certainly not a boot-licker and even I think it's wrong to kill and dehumanize cops.




Not happening in the U.S. New budget is 21%, while entitlements are still about two-thirds of total spending. Also, I would like to mention that the United States is the primary military of Europe, the Americas, and Far East. Sure, I think allies should be dropped as useless and we could save a lot of money by defunding all allies and military interests with them; but, the fact as it is, military spending, even in the proposed budget of 2018, is much less than entitlements.
Servicemen and first responders are mostly glamorized by most patriots in America. Not only do patriots and nationalists give glory to their military, but so do internationalists. Just saying.




This one is ridiculous. No sex scandals thus far. He did say "grab them by the p****" a long time ago, and that was it. This comes back to, once again, if anyone is fascist, then it's the American left. Bill Clinton, John F. Kennedy, Franklin D. Roosevelt -- to name a few very perverted and dishonest (with their wives) presidents. Also, I know for certain that two of those three men had a higher ratio of men in their cabinet than Trump.
Also, how exactly is he, or even any of the other three men I listed, enforcing traditional families, rigid roles, etc? Is it because he's not getting breasts implants and doing a "free the nipple" episode for the world to see?
The worst he's done is a limit on transgenders in the military -- current members can stay, others are disqualified. Sure, they weren't a problem, and I would like to remind that I'm not a Trump-fan, but let's be honest. Thus far, he's not a fascist, and if anything, the modern liberals of America are closer to fascism than he is. Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.




Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, the modern American left -- Trump hasn't censored our rights to speech, and hasn't turned media into a propaganda tool. They're not being controlled by Trump. Kicking out someone being rather rowdy and denying them entrance to another event -- not exactly censorship. There are so many news sources, and I guess you only pay audience to CNN? Sure, I read CNN, but I don't accept them as the Holy Bible.





The two aren't exactly related 100% as you, or technically Britt, implies. Obsession with national security =/= fear. The left uses fear all the time, labeling people as Nazis, spreading lies about their opposition -- hell, your forum posts show that even you partake in this act of spreading fear. So far, several of these characteristics have matched you, based on your political posts on these forums, and the American left moreso than Donald Trump.
No offense intended; trying to get you to think critically and reflect. We're all human -- most people in America aren't fascist authoritarian collectivists looking to kill others, whether they be Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, the fact is that most of us are normal people. Trump is a normal guy, sure as far as people that grew up rich and spoiled go, but still human nonetheless.





Oh boy, you are wrong on so many levels here. Religion has been used as a tool by fascists in Europe, certainly, because the population is religious. Was Hitler religious? Not really. Mussolini? Well, he did love the Papacy, still, he didn't re-establish the Papal State as a supreme authority.
As for the GOP, they also use religion as a tool. Christian Democrats even use religion as a tool. It's nothing new. Politicians will use anything they can (though as to how far they will go varies) to garner support. It's not explicitly fascist.
Oh, and no, the GOP wouldn't make America into a Christian nation. When have they tried to press for reform to enforce a state religion? The United States never had one, never will. The GOP does support religious liberties, as in, the right to practice one's beliefs so long as one does not harm others in the process of doing so. Did you know that the GOP has, and does work to prevent, Democrats from taxing Mosques, Churches, and Temples? I bet you didn't.






That is also not explicitly fascist, and is a part of socialism interestingly enough. You and I are witnessing the process of the merger of the state and part of the market, which will ultimately lead to the worst monopoly of all: a centrally planned economy in which the state holds supreme authority over the market, whether through direct control of businesses or through allowing businesses but under great restriction and prone to the will of the governing elite.
And oh boy, pharma is awful in the West. Regulated so heavily by the government, that all pharmaceutical entities are involved with the government and dependent on the government. Gone are the days in which one could simply come up with a vaccine, test it on terminally ill people, and then give it out as a act of charity (referencing polio). Now, one must have money, influence in a company and with the government, and go through a ton of bureaucracy. We literally have the cure for cancer, but it's being clogged by bureaucracy that came about from the merger of our pharma and government.
Drugs should be legalized, regardless of recreational or medical use in my opinion. Not so much in the interest of most governments, but not everyone that is against drug legalization is some corporate butt-kisser. Many have honest intent, but you and I both know that the immorals of the drug war far outweigh the moral arguments of those presented by even the most honest of anti-drug.





Not quite. In fact, those aforementioned fascist countries were all for the workers and workers rights, workers are the main reason they had that level of popular support.
Trump had the support of workers. Clinton, to coal workers across the country, "We are going to put a lot of coal miners and companies out of business." Could have said, y'know, there will be a transition or something, not flat out taking their jobs.
Oh, almost forgot, the Clinton family has been supporting the outsourcing of jobs, thanks to serving foreign interests. Increase regulation (not even safety related, but costly monetary regulation), and decrease barriers in order to encourage industry to move out of the country. Trump, his policy aims to keep our industry here, to keep our few trade jobs intact and the workers employed. Sure, he's going about it the wrong way by keeping horrible regulation and threatening to punish businesses if they move (that does not sound friendly toward the business owners at all).
I don't support either of the two by any means; but, c'mon, Trump a fascist?

Now, as for labor unions, they've long outlived their usefulness. Labor unions have become businesses within themselves, in fact I'd say your average labor union is far worse than your average business owner. Labor unions extort their members, put restrictions on their members, control entire cities, lobby national and international politicians -- public sector unions are the worst of them all, as they have a high degree of control over our governments.
Has Trump been busting unions? No, not even despite the monstrosity that they've become.





Not even happening. Also, at the core of fascist countries are intellectuals -- just not those that disagree. Sounds like the American left, too, doesn't it?





I'm no boot licker and I know how wrong BLM is. C'mon, you're supporting a group that assassinated fellow humans -- police officers, sure, but still human nonetheless.
Let's compare BLM and Nazis:
* Both were very violent, rioting in the streets and burning their own neighborhoods
* Both promote ethnonationalism. Deny that all you want, but BLM quickly radicalized and became full of ethnonationalists.
* Both have very violent slogans and promote ongoing violence. For example, "Kill wh***y" is a popular one.
* Both had something along the lines of "we were/are kings" (for example "we wuz kangz n ****").
* Both disrupted the lives of innocents
** BLM disrupted the lives of their own members, of people of their own community that they claim to want to protect and promote. For example, in Boston, there was a community center that a man of African-descent put his whole life into. Saved up, and put everything he had into it. His life dream, under construction, almost there. BLM burned it down. Then there's all the business owners they've ruined of their own community, people of their own community that put their lives into owning a small business, only to have its windows shattered (Kristallnacht sound familiar to you?) and its store looted and ruined

It goes on.
The rising of BLM does not show proof of police brutality. No, cases of police brutality itself show this -- not a ethnonationalist terrorist group. Again, I am not a boot-licker and am the opposite.
On a side note, do you think people have the right to self-preservation, therefore bear arms to protect themselves against others and the brutal police? Most people want to disarm police, but also disarm their people, leaving the military armed -- I hope you're not one of them, otherwise there's some serious ideological inconsistencies, unless of course you're against anyone's right to self preservation, which from your forum posts, you do seem to support the right to self preservation and granting of privileges to certain groups.






This goes back abit to what was discussed earlier in regards to cronyism and corruption.
Now, as for the seizure of resources and goods, yeah, that happens when the government has control over the market. Happens in countries with big governments. Period. As to how often and what extent, it varies. So it ranges from a lesser scale like in modern Germany, or to the extremes of the USSR. You know who supports allowing the government to seize businesses in the US? Not Trump, not quite. Though, the US government, through executive order, can do so, largely thanks to 20th century executive orders (Kennedy comes to mind for some of the worst of them).





Hitler was democratically elected, just so you know. Violence came from everywhere, but that in itself isn't fraud.

Also, I bet you ignore the fact that almost all dead voters are voting for Democrats. You also probably ignore that a vast majority of rigged electronic polling machines were in favor of Democrats. In addition, you probably aren't aware of the Acorn scandal of 2008.

Bush/Gore election. Where to begin... not a Bush fan by any means, but I also don't think he cheated... perhaps begin with telling you that one needs 270 electoral votes to win? If you wanna see some hardcore fraud, then look no further outside your own state.


Side note, this took forever to write up. Like, as in, almost exactly two hours. Fixed some mistakes but at this point can't go back to read, and my mind is mush after staring at my screen for this long, haha.
I do hope there's some kind of response, but I understand if you don't feel like reading all of what I wrote.

too many errors to even begin to address, but first of all, hitler was appointed chancellor in 1933, NOT elected to that position. you are welcome to your thoughts but you will not persuade me to become a horatio alger-believing, ayn rand-worshipping social Darwinist. you can do that on your own.

hy, there's a difference btwn nationalism (my country first, right or wrong. demonize everyone else -which trump does) and patriotism (countries in the world are equal. i am loyal to mine and like her well enough to fix her flaws.)

Did you learn about fascism in order to prove that Trump is not one? That's where you learned it, right?



How do any of these questions relate to the erosion of democracy and onset of fascism? People feel great about fascism, at first.

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the problem is that at least 40% of americans see the flaws as salient features.

Impossible to win? How is defeating weaker countries impossible to win?

I'm actually surprised it's taking him this long. He needs some grease in his garters.

Scott Adams, like most Trump supporters, is nothing but a troll. He probably posted that to rile up some SJW Tumblrettes. I bet he is currently reading their hysterical responses and laughing his ass off.

Don't be an SJW. Be a more sophisticated leftist. Don't fall for obvious bait.