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jrjones9933
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28 Jan 2017, 11:37 am

I mean, in PPR, by doing whatever each of us does here, we accomplish what exactly?
Individually or collectively?

If the answer is nothing, I'd appreciate knowing what makes "nothing" a fair exchange for the time and energy.


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28 Jan 2017, 11:50 am

We're debating politics, religion, and philosophy.

It provides people with an outlet usually denied to them in real life.

Characters are created--personas, if you will. And people glory in their own creations. Stronger parts of people's selves are emphasized.

Ideally, It also provides an impetus for people to research things, and to clearly state their argument in broadened and nuanced form.

I do wish people wouldn't personally attack people, though. It lessens the quality of the discourse. And it also detracts from the truth frequently, because people feel they have to justify themselves. In doing this, people don't read the words in front of them. And, especially, don't read things which moderate supposedly extreme positions.



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28 Jan 2017, 12:29 pm

I like talking/writing about things that interest me, it's kind of fun to argue sometimes and it kills time. Basically it indulges a few special interests, you get to know people, and at the same time it's sort of a game. People take it too seriously sometimes, it's just shooting the **** to me. I don't think it's futile debating with people either, I do think people influence each others beliefs.

Could I be better served doing something more productive? Probably but I probably also wouldn't of stayed on WP all these years otherwise as there was a time when even reading stuff about Autism was something that really made me very uncomfortable and I do think WP has helped me in some ways so it gave me a reason to keep coming back until I was comfortable with that information. I've progressed a lot the last couple years personally and the catalyst for that was finally accepting help and being more open with people so that information was important.



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28 Jan 2017, 12:39 pm

I was aware that I learned a lot about how to manage my autism from other parts of the site, but I hadn't thought about what PPR has taught me about autism. Now that you mention it, Jacoby, it's a lot.

A few days ago, I had no clue how Trump had happened, and no plan to deal with him, or even to deal with my feelings about him. I still feel completely confused about what the future will bring, but I have figured out how to face the future in theory. I also feel a lot calmer.

Some reasoned debate, some getting out of my yayas. I have asked myself, "what lapse of judgement made you go back into PPR?" It hasn't stopped me from enjoying it.


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28 Jan 2017, 12:42 pm

At this point, WP is an addiction for me. I did make the mistake of allowing myself to be drawn recently into the futile back & forth that was the Left vs Right debacle. I've since forgiven myself for that faux pas and now revert back to observer status.



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28 Jan 2017, 12:59 pm

Trump has brought out many people who were previously "observers." Which is a good thing, in a way.

I feel WP should be used in complement with real life, rather than in lieu of it.



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28 Jan 2017, 1:17 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Trump has brought out many people who were previously "observers." Which is a good thing, in a way.

I feel WP should be used in complement with real life, rather than in lieu of it.


Yet you average over 10k posts per year! :lol:

(pretty sure I've pointed that out before)

I've already repeatedly stated what I get from PPR, so I won't continue flogging that particular horse here. I will point out how much difficulty the neurotypical-leaning world has coping with discussions on religion and politics. Those two subjects are often considered taboo in social environments (e.g. pubs/bars). They're not exactly sympathetic to those of us who tend to hyper-analysis of said subjects.



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28 Jan 2017, 1:31 pm

I work two jobs. I have a wife.

I'm in the WP-as-complement category.

I base my opinions on what I experience and common sense, primarily.



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28 Jan 2017, 1:37 pm

I often find PPR exhausting. BUT although there is a fair bit of mud flinging and being married to a certain stance, I often find autistic people more willing to really listen to someone else's reasoning. Outside WP (the rest of the world) there is a lot of pretending to listen to others, but not really listening, and not really discussing the other person's point of view. Communication on WP is at times wonky, but the nice thing is that you always find people who really try to learn from each other.


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28 Jan 2017, 9:30 pm

People should be here to engage in the practice of discussing and debating politics, philosophy and religion. Some people however appear to be here to also attack other people rather than the position they are maintaining. Some do so in a rather idiotic pseudo-intellectual fashion.



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28 Jan 2017, 9:46 pm

adifferentname wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Trump has brought out many people who were previously "observers." Which is a good thing, in a way.

I feel WP should be used in complement with real life, rather than in lieu of it.


Yet you average over 10k posts per year! :lol:

(pretty sure I've pointed that out before)


It's an irrelevant thing to point out. Posting to a forum does not require one to be stuck at home sitting at their desk looking into a stationary heavy crt monitor. Most people these days post from mobile devices throughout the day while they're on the go engaged in other activities.



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28 Jan 2017, 10:24 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
I mean, in PPR, by doing whatever each of us does here, we accomplish what exactly?
Individually or collectively?

If the answer is nothing, I'd appreciate knowing what makes "nothing" a fair exchange for the time and energy.


We are discussing issues of interest. PPR is a computerized discussion group. If you don't wish to discuss anything that is brought up here, then don't.


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28 Jan 2017, 11:09 pm

Personally, I'm participating in conversation, not sure what everyone else thinks they're doing.


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29 Jan 2017, 8:13 am

EzraS wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Trump has brought out many people who were previously "observers." Which is a good thing, in a way.

I feel WP should be used in complement with real life, rather than in lieu of it.


Yet you average over 10k posts per year! :lol:

(pretty sure I've pointed that out before)


It's an irrelevant thing to point out.


Irrelevant to you. I found a grain of humour in it, and thus joked about it. For the second time. By nature of a callback.

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Posting to a forum does not require one to be stuck at home sitting at their desk looking into a stationary heavy crt monitor. Most people these days post from mobile devices throughout the day while they're on the go engaged in other activities.


Did you assume my motivation for joking about his post count was malicious? If so, I'll thank you not to look for the worst between the lines.

In return, I'll assume that the reason for your little lecture - that's "little" as in "short", rather than as a pejorative, and "lecture" as in "instructive counsel", but also used ironically due to its additional meaning "the letter of the text" (see how joyless it is to explain every little subtext to avoid ambiguity?) - is that you mistakenly concluded the aforementioned malice, rather than because you wish to imply I lack the wit to understand the modern world.

Considering my apparent faux pas was to point out a small fact, whereas yours was to insert context based on your own assumption, I believe that's more than reasonable.

Dox47 wrote:
Personally, I'm participating in conversation, not sure what everyone else thinks they're doing.


Testing my hypothesis that what I perceive as reality is in fact a solipsistic fantasy, thereby rendering all my successes and failures manifestations of my own ego and senses of self-worth and entitlement. Possibly.



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29 Jan 2017, 9:29 am

adifferentname wrote:
EzraS wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Trump has brought out many people who were previously "observers." Which is a good thing, in a way.

I feel WP should be used in complement with real life, rather than in lieu of it.


Yet you average over 10k posts per year! :lol:

(pretty sure I've pointed that out before)


It's an irrelevant thing to point out.


Irrelevant to you. I found a grain of humour in it, and thus joked about it. For the second time. By nature of a callback.

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Posting to a forum does not require one to be stuck at home sitting at their desk looking into a stationary heavy crt monitor. Most people these days post from mobile devices throughout the day while they're on the go engaged in other activities.


Did you assume my motivation for joking about his post count was malicious? If so, I'll thank you not to look for the worst between the lines.

In return, I'll assume that the reason for your little lecture - that's "little" as in "short", rather than as a pejorative, and "lecture" as in "instructive counsel", but also used ironically due to its additional meaning "the letter of the text" (see how joyless it is to explain every little subtext to avoid ambiguity?) - is that you mistakenly concluded the aforementioned malice, rather than because you wish to imply I lack the wit to understand the modern world.

Considering my apparent faux pas was to point out a small fact, whereas yours was to insert context based on your own assumption, I believe that's more than reasonable.


Sorry. On my gaming forum remarks about post count are usually made to put someone down i.e. "get a life". I jumped to the wrong conclusion. Nice speech btw :P



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29 Jan 2017, 10:26 am

EzraS wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
EzraS wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Trump has brought out many people who were previously "observers." Which is a good thing, in a way.

I feel WP should be used in complement with real life, rather than in lieu of it.


Yet you average over 10k posts per year! :lol:

(pretty sure I've pointed that out before)


It's an irrelevant thing to point out.


Irrelevant to you. I found a grain of humour in it, and thus joked about it. For the second time. By nature of a callback.

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Posting to a forum does not require one to be stuck at home sitting at their desk looking into a stationary heavy crt monitor. Most people these days post from mobile devices throughout the day while they're on the go engaged in other activities.


Did you assume my motivation for joking about his post count was malicious? If so, I'll thank you not to look for the worst between the lines.

In return, I'll assume that the reason for your little lecture - that's "little" as in "short", rather than as a pejorative, and "lecture" as in "instructive counsel", but also used ironically due to its additional meaning "the letter of the text" (see how joyless it is to explain every little subtext to avoid ambiguity?) - is that you mistakenly concluded the aforementioned malice, rather than because you wish to imply I lack the wit to understand the modern world.

Considering my apparent faux pas was to point out a small fact, whereas yours was to insert context based on your own assumption, I believe that's more than reasonable.


Sorry. On my gaming forum remarks about post count are usually made to put someone down i.e. "get a life". I jumped to the wrong conclusion. Nice speech btw :P


Thanks. :lol: