Why do machines and robots have to take our jobs, why?

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25 Feb 2017, 10:04 pm

Why, why? Why do the machines and robots have to take away our jobs? Why do people blindly worship the technology today, when even they admit that all workers will be replaced everywhere, and we can't escape it? I'm not trying to sound suicidal, but I don't want to live in such a society at all. I wish I lived when my parents and grandparents had jobs, at least society back then wasn't as disrupted by technology.

I feel really sad. If the human labor unlikely can manage to win, I'll be all on board, believe me.

Besides, most computer and remote work is a bore. Who wants to sit all day and not be moving at all? I remember wanting to work in a movie theater showing movies as a projectionist, but it gone down the tubes because movies were being switched to being projected on film to being on digital.



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25 Feb 2017, 10:14 pm

We're stuck in a position where we need to re-establish our sense of identity as conscious entities. Machines end up doing our work because they out-compete us. A culture with nothing but leisure time also, dare I say, will be quite a strange place to behold and you'll see a lot of people in that state who won't even cope well with hobbies.

I guess all I can say is the world changes, it keeps changing, and about all we can do is hang loose and pray that we can keep on with our lives without having em broken up too much by the stress and anxiety brought about by all the economic and training uncertainties.


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25 Feb 2017, 10:16 pm

People want lots of cheap stuff.

https://shop.hardenco.com/pages/about-us
You can still buy jeans made in Hartford Connecticut, but not everyone can afford a $248 pair of jeans.

I think there will still be jobs available for talented craftsmen in the future. People who can make custom stuff that is exactly what the customer wants.



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25 Feb 2017, 10:20 pm

I'm not skilled in the trades, sorry.

It isn't even limited to robots taking away our jobs. Every aspect of society is changing rapidly. Soon ago, you had to buy HBO, a video player, or still go out to a cinema to see a movie. Now, you can do it conveniently by switching on Netflix, which doesn't really allow you control over the ownership of your movies, since physical media is obsolete.

I wish there were more people my age who think the same way, and don't criticize me for having those concerns. The pace of change in society scares me sometimes whenever I think about what's happening.



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25 Feb 2017, 10:50 pm

Don't worry, a good solar flare should probably send the whole thing crashing down.


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25 Feb 2017, 10:51 pm

I feel that us people should take our jobs back.


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25 Feb 2017, 11:03 pm

What is so great about working long hours doing menial tasks a machine can do? I doubt machines or robots could replace all jobs but yeah when it comes to a lot of menial tasks that is certainly the way things are progressing. There is more to life than 'labor'. The only options are menial labor or sitting all day not moving at all?


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25 Feb 2017, 11:54 pm

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What is so great about working long hours doing menial tasks a machine can do? I doubt machines or robots could replace all jobs but yeah when it comes to a lot of menial tasks that is certainly the way things are progressing. There is more to life than 'labor'. The only options are menial labor or sitting all day not moving at all?

I don't understand what you mean by being more to life than 'labor'. What about all the money you earn from labor? Where else can you source an income?



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26 Feb 2017, 1:17 am

Same reason the telegraph replaced the pony express and the car replaced the horse; technological advancement.
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26 Feb 2017, 2:08 am

As I recall, "good paying" jobs in the service industry were supposed to replace manufacturing jobs lost to automation. But that promise - at least for good pay - never materialized when it came to flipping burgers or operating a cash register, as business people weaseled their way out of that one by saying those were just entry level jobs, when in fact there is less and less employment to move on to.


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26 Feb 2017, 6:17 am

If they didn't have robots to do a lot of jobs, they would have outsourced them to needy third world countries where they can pay pennies.



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26 Feb 2017, 8:44 am

K_Kelly wrote:
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What is so great about working long hours doing menial tasks a machine can do? I doubt machines or robots could replace all jobs but yeah when it comes to a lot of menial tasks that is certainly the way things are progressing. There is more to life than 'labor'. The only options are menial labor or sitting all day not moving at all?

I don't understand what you mean by being more to life than 'labor'. What about all the money you earn from labor? Where else can you source an income?

As part of a big reform, introduce a negative rate of income tax. Alternatively, if income tax is scrapped altogether, then bring in a Universal Income.

If a job can be done by a machine, then you shouldn't have to do it.



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26 Feb 2017, 9:22 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I feel that us people should take our jobs back.

Indeed. Opt out whenever and wherever we can. I shop at a grocery store which chooses not to offer self-checkout aisles. I prefer to use cash because merchants love receiving it (no card fees for them to pay). I intentionally walk into my financial institutions and other businesses to show a need to maintain their living, breathing staffers and the good customer service they provide. I also complain when I experience a problem with a business' technological service. I try to make it so difficult and expensive for business owners to treat me and their employees as expendable that they would rather just keep doing business the "old-fashioned way." And, if I abandon a business, I always send a message to the corporate offices explaining why they have lost my cash forever. Yeah, that gets their attention; one of my favorite phrases to use in the face of technology is "why are you making it so difficult for me to give you my cash?!?" That wakes them up pronto.

If we all did similar things, jobs would, once again, be abundant.


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26 Feb 2017, 11:12 am

It's called capitalism lol. You can't praise capitalism and then complain when it negatively impacts you. Automation would cost businesses less in the long run and they don't have to pay automation. The bottom line for businesses matters more than the normal person's quality of life.

It's like factory jobs - people complain that we ship them overseas because it takes jobs from us (also it's unethical because of the severe underpay and mistreatment of their foreign soil workers) but don't seem to realize if we force them back here automation will take most of the jobs anyways. CEOs need to take home their multi billion dollar bonuses as we all know. They might lose a few hundred million if they had to pay actual human beings and give benefits and how could they deal with that sacrifice? The horror!


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26 Feb 2017, 11:24 am

lidsmichelle wrote:
It's called capitalism lol. You can't praise capitalism and then complain when it negatively impacts you. Automation would cost businesses less in the long run and they don't have to pay automation. The bottom line for businesses matters more than the normal person's quality of life.

It's like factory jobs - people complain that we ship them overseas because it takes jobs from us (also it's unethical because of the severe underpay and mistreatment of their foreign soil workers) but don't seem to realize if we force them back here automation will take most of the jobs anyways. CEOs need to take home their multi billion dollar bonuses as we all know. They might lose a few hundred million if they had to pay actual human beings and give benefits and how could they deal with that sacrifice? The horror!


Oh, those poor CEOs, I shudder to think how they might be parted from their money! :lol: :P :evil:


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